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Marijuana church protected by constitution???
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http://www.clickpress.com/releases/Detailed/12138005cp.shtml

Is that real?


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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: freddurgan]
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$100???

fuck that... join my church then for free.


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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: Jim]
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Yeah it seems really scammy. Honestly I didnt go to www.temple420.org until after I posted the link.


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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: freddurgan]
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the rastas tried this in Jamaica a few years back saying its part of there religion, but the cops told them to go fuck themselves.

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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: BLAST_420]
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this is interesting because we did rule in favor of allowing ayahuasca use.

but is there not a better source for the validity of this?

I mean you know you spend $100 and tell the cops "It's my church man" and they'll arrest you anyway. will it be overturned? I would gladly join them (and think cannabis should be used spiritually) however.....

I'm a bit skeptical.

this seems like it might be legit... on the forums he's saying there are places in california that will sell you pot if you are a part of a cannabis oriented church. Out in the open just sell you pot.


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Edited by leery11 (05/02/06 04:21 PM)

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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: leery11]
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I'm checking this thing out as well. 100bucks is not cool. He is exploiting teh word of God for his gain(all of our gains really, but that doesnt excuse it). I hate organized religion in all shapes. It goes against the word, and Id rather go against the laws of man than the laws of God.


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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: blaze2]
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I don't think there's anything wrong with it if he's going to use the money to defend anyone who is prosecuted and set up legal counsel like he says.

it looks like he wants to really get it rolling, selling weed legally to members and starting a movement.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (05/02/06 05:23 PM)

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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: blaze2]
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read the fine print guys


*disclaimer: Any member of ?Temple 420? who is arrested or ticketed for misdemeanor marijuana possession within the boundaries of the United States of America is entitled to represented by the Temple free of charge provided certain conditions are met. Those conditions are that the person must be a Temple member in good standing. A Temple member in good standing is anyone who has faith in the one true God of the Bible, has paid their membership fee, has not been convicted of a violent felony since joining the Temple, and has contacted us within the appropriate time period. Because of the potential for numerous legal battles the appropriate time period for a member to contact the congregation for representation would be within the first 100 hours of being either ticketed or arrested for marijuana possession. If these requirements are met the member is eligible to have the Temple pay 100% of legal fees associated with the misdemeanor charge of possession of religious marijuana.

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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: freddurgan]
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it would never work because the church was established after marijuana was made illegal. had this church existed ages ago, then it could work (as the native americans did with their psychedelics :crazy2: )


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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: eligal]
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don't be a pessimist....

all it takes is a bunch of people professing their religious affinity for cannabis to get things rolling.....

you are partially correct, but cannabis was used in the Bible according to many scholars, and therefore can be seen as a forgotten Jewish and Christian sacrament.

this particular organization is Bible based, so they have a valid argument. Afterall if the Bible states that all plants are for our use (and it does) and it references cannabis use (which it seems to .... calamus as a mistranslatoin for "kaneh-bosm" or something of the sort) then there you go, a religion that predates America that demands the right to be able to use in their God-created entheogens.

it will work.

The only things required are:
a lot of people join one of these cannabis churches
media coverage

if every single pot smoker refused..... aboslutely VEHEMENTLY refused to sit down and take the injustices being doled out against them...... and NEVER said things like "oh it will never be legalized" or "i don't care, keep it illegal i'll still smoke it" if instead every single stoner firmly believed that it WILL be legalized, we would have a lot less apathy around....

legalization is a battle and it can't be fought with pessimism... who is going to legalize if we don't care? The blacks were PISSED OFF about being discriminated against....... the women were PISSED off about not being allowed to vote..... this stuff led to huge revolutions.... but here we have a class of people being persecuted and they are okay with it, they don't even want to fight for their rights.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (05/02/06 05:40 PM)

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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: leery11]
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im all for legalization but joining some "church" will make us look like wierdos and will only hurt the cause...

its better to let people see that we are not crazy and are jsut like them an that weed doesnt make you go loony. start makin churches and cults n shit n well, you confirm what they say about stoners bein psychotic...


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"do you have the freedom to do with your nervous system what you want?"

"MolokoMilkPlus said:
I'll respect you if you let me give you a blow job"

"tactik said:
respect the can."


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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: leery11]
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We are too stoned to care.

Seriously though, leery is right, we need to stand up for ourselves. Fuck this. Time for a revolution.
Who's with me?
Let's start by sending me $100 if you support this cause, in order for me to fund our protesting and lobbying and rallying.


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there should be a 3 month waiting period between registration and posting. :wink:

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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: leery11]
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leery11 said:
legalization is a battle and it can't be fought with pessimism... who is going to legalize if we don't car? The blacks were PISSED OFF about being discriminated against....... the women were PISSED off about not being allowed to vote..... this stuff led to huge revolutions.... but here we have a class of people being persecuted and they are okay with it, they don't even want to fight for their rights.


and when the hell did i say i dont care??  :confused:
and when did i say i dont want to fight for my rights?? :confused:

your putting words in my mouth. and again, this can all be done with out your church...


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"do you have the freedom to do with your nervous system what you want?"

"MolokoMilkPlus said:
I'll respect you if you let me give you a blow job"

"tactik said:
respect the can."


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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? *DELETED* [Re: leery11]
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Post deleted by snowflake

Reason for deletion: I decided to further elaborate on why this is stupid in another post...



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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: snowflake]
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I got arrested when I was under 21 for drinking a glass of red wine. I tried claiming that I was protected by my religion since I'm technically a member of the roman catholic church and it was the season of lent. The judge I told that to told me that since I was not in church drinking the wine, that I was still guilty of violating the law and was sentenced to a year probation. I really seriously doubt that claiming you're a member of a "marijuana church" is going to do anything other than piss the judge off and make you look like an idiot...


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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: freddurgan]
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Quote:
12Court not death by your erring way of life, nor draw to yourselves destruction by the works of your hands.
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Because God did not make death, nor does he rejoice in the destruction of the living.
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For he fashioned all things that they might have being; and the creatures of the world are wholesome, And there is not a destructive drug among them nor any domain of the nether world on earth,
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For justice is undying.


http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/wisdom/wisdom1.htm#v1


This is from the Catholic bible. The book of Wisdom (along with others) was removed from the protestant bible about five hundred years ago because it did not fit with their political agenda. If one looks to the book of Wisdom, he can clearly find sanction for the use of any and all natural drugs, because "justice is undying."

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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: shroomydan]
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Its actually an old idea

http://www.thc-ministry.net/ministries.html

That is a link to all the pot churches, and people have succesfully used the pot as sacrament defense and got off, a man in Arizon was set free after being caught with one pound. So yeah, why not. Well not me, I find it blasphemous

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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: shroomydan]
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The catholics also destroyed over half the bible, and for the most part the books removed from the bible during the protestant reformation were placed there BY teh roman church, which was made a few hundred years AFTER jesus died.

I listen to Jesus and he says, "Worship in your closet, in secret."

God says,

"Lift a stone and you will find me, turn a leaf and I am there." He doesnt mention finding him in a Church does he?

I'm well aware that God gave us marijuana and that in all likelihood Calamus was mistranslated from teh arabic Cannabus. that said if want to use the Word of God as your shield, then you must follow it as well. Else you are a hippocrite and will not succeed. God says smoke pot maybe, but he definately says no churches. Cant have it both ways. peace

blaze2


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"peace is not maintained through force it is acheived through intelligence." Albert Einstein

"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: blaze2]
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http://temple420.org/forum/index.php?s=07017b8a310e7beddd3a83b22776af3b&showtopic=37

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Re: Marijuana church protected by constitution??? [Re: VoidOfsPg]
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woah, woah, woah!

When did they make the final ruling in the UDV case? This must've been recent...

but yeah, the marijuana church isn't a guarantee. A psychedelic church, sure, because the tradition is thousands of years old, and many people who use psychedelics have powerful, life changing experiences off of them. Marijuana churches on the other hand, can safely be assumed to be an attempt at loophole-creation. I've never met anyone who told me about a powerful spiritual experience from weed.

I'm not saying it's all fake, but that's how the courts will definitely see it.


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