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El_Presidente
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Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration
#4897904 - 11/05/05 04:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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After years of breeding different potent marijuana strains together ive concieved a strain with such a high THC concentration that even smoking the leaves is like smoking bud. Theres not a slight bit of exaggeration in my last statement.
I had been growing with a few friends for a long time and we decided put our efforts together this summer in a ganja field out in the country. We invested every seed, cutting and plant we had into this. Shit hit the fan out there and we had to leave the field, we were all sure we had lost the strain but I took a trip out there in september and noticed there were still a good few live plants out there. I harvested what I could but there was hardly anything. I was pissed off until I loaded the bong with some undried leaf. Im deadly serious when I say after one bong hit of this stuff I was as stoned if not more stoned than I would be after a bong hit of top quality indoor.
The bud was some of the best ganja ive smoked in my whole life. It ran out pretty quick but I got a handful of seeds from it. Im convinced this is some sort of super strain with extremely high quantities of THC. It has a nice lemon taste to it aswell. I'll send a few seeds to any experienced growers who want to test it out.
I was thinking about selling the seeds commercially the problem is we mixed so many strains I dont know what the hell the genetics are any more. Some of the strains were bought from KC Brains but there are enough uncommercial strains in there to call it our own.
MOD EDIT: offering cannabis seeds is against the rules, also some of your statements throughout this thread seem odd. I will keep this thread open but offering cannabis seeds, even birdseed grade, in any way is strictly prohibited. One of the best cannabis sites one can visit for all sorts of information is Overgrow who also have a more lenient supplies policy.
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: El_Presidente]
#4897928 - 11/05/05 04:48 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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You are not allowed to spread cannabis seeds here. Budshots would be nice. And also were ure bud not sinsemilla since u have seeds?
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El_Presidente
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: shamantra]
#4897985 - 11/05/05 05:22 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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The pollination was my mistake which was a blessing in disguise. I brought a bunch of seedlings out there, I thought I seperated all the males but I must have missed one because most of the plants got partially pollinated. There were hardly any seeds so I dont think it effected the potency. There was an average of about 10 seeds per plant.
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: El_Presidente]
#4898027 - 11/05/05 05:47 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hermies maybe?
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: El_Presidente]
#4898041 - 11/05/05 05:53 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok, but what makes it a new strain?, breeding is math and careful work not mixing two strains randomly . Also 1 male is enough to pollinate thousands of plants and seed does affect quality, always.
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: shamantra]
#4898082 - 11/05/05 06:12 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah theres a good chance some of them were hermaphridites. Otherwise they could have caught some stray pollen from the males I seperates, they were about 20 metres away though.
Whether it was carefully planned or not different strains which have never been bred together before make a new strain. The last crossbreed was with the strain we had been breeding over the years and a pure sativa strain I brought back from Jamaica. The Jamaican strain raised the THC content a whole lot. I got the seeds in Negril in the west of Jamaica, thats where the best weed on the island is grown.
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: El_Presidente]
#4898121 - 11/05/05 06:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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No it doesnt make a new strain it will just make a hybrid . If u mix a with b u get a x b not c (a new strain). 1st generation mix is never a new strain.
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: shamantra]
#4898158 - 11/05/05 06:48 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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A+B = AB of the first generation is called an F1 Hybrid. In the flower industry there's alot of demand for F1 hybrids because they often have superior characteristics, which are lost in later generations.
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: Asante]
#4898251 - 11/05/05 07:25 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes. Another thing: he planted seeds as well as cuttings and plants outdoors and it was randomly pollinated, could have been pollen from hemp plants miles away. There is no selection, nothing that qualifies as breeding here.
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: shamantra]
#4898468 - 11/05/05 08:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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i agree with shamantra , breeding strains is "selective breeding" not "by chance breeding". plus a "strain" is basically an isolated gene pool. F1's are wanted mostly for "hybrid vigour" , meaning they grow faster and more robust, however i wouldnt consider an F1 a new strain simply because it hasnt been truly isolated. ever notice how seed banks sell strains such as "NL #5 , or Durban Poison or Bubblegum" etc, but they also sell stuff like "Kush x Hash Plant". that would be like yours, a cross between 2 strains or a cross between a strain and a wild plant. it takes years of selective breeding to isolate a strain, same goes for mushrooms.
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#4900262 - 11/06/05 11:51 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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When KC Brains for example breeds Nevils Haze with KC 606 they call it Haze special, a new strain not a hybrid of Nevils Haze and KC 606. Whats to say my breeding different strains over the years is only making a hybrid and not a new strain?
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: El_Presidente]
#4900732 - 11/06/05 02:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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simple, have you isolated certain traits? just cuz you mixed some plants and got a good potent one out of it doesnt mean its a new strain. once again, strains are ISOLATED, thus they can be reproduced thru the seeds of the plant. grow out the seeds you got, i doubt you'll get a single plant that is exactly or close to exact replica of the original plant. most strains show many genotypes thru the seeds, however they are still all very similar, i doubt the seeds you have will be similiar. and KC Brains can tag any name they want on a seed, doesnt make it a new strain, its like i could get some NL #5 seeds and breed them with some wild hemp plants and call it "Wild Lights", but that doesnt mean its a new strain. if it was then EVERY single seed could be called a new "strain".
sorry if this is too complicated for you to understand. read up on true plant breeding. it takes years of CONTROLLED environments, and OUTSIDE is NOT a controlled environment.
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#4900746 - 11/06/05 02:49 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ah yeah I get it, it has to be completely stabilized before you can call it a new strain.
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: El_Presidente]
#4900911 - 11/06/05 04:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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yup, you've created a "hybrid" , which is a good start, they'll grow faster than the mother/father plants did.
imagine it this way. to keep a strain pure they always cross a male and female from the same seed stock. its kind of like "in-breeding". so things slow down. when ya mix 2 diff kinds together you get "hybrid vigour", which just means since new genetics were introduced, the growth rates usually sky rocket for the first 1 or 2 generations.
you said u got a hand full of seeds right? well grow those seeds out, hope for both males and females. then cross them.
get the new seeds from this grow and cross a female from the new seeds with a male from the old seeds (the original handful). by always going back to the original males you'll make sure you dont accidentally breed-out some of the "good" traits. you wouldnt want to keep using new seeds each time and get a stabilized strain of "dirt weed". however once you get a harvest of seeds and grow them out and they are all very similar (they dont have to be exactly the same, all strains ahve many pheotypes), then start crossing the new females with new males from the new seeds. do this twice or so, then you can say you have a MOSTLY stabilized strain. altogether this will take you a good 1-2 years to complete, with about 5-10 generations of plants.
if you do this outdoors here's a simple technique to make sure you're results arent tainted by wild plants.
buy some oven bags, the long kind. when the females first start to bud, simply put a bag over a branch and twist tie it. do the same with a male once it start to drop pollen , shake the bag around once a day for 2-3 days. take the bag off the male, and replace the bag on the female branch with it. then rub the bag so the plastci rubs the female buds. this way only the pollen you want gets on that branch. then collect only the seeds from that branch for your breeding. easy , cheap and effective way of controlled breeding.
hope this helps ya some. didnt mean to sound like i was flaming ya, just trying to set things straight.
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#4901045 - 11/06/05 04:43 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ditto. My english is too poor to explain many subjects, like this, in details but u said it very well when i buy a strain i expect to have same genetics on all plants ,its important to have things correct
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: shamantra]
#4901461 - 11/06/05 06:25 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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ill take some of seeds if there still up for grabs
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: mskip23]
#4904010 - 11/07/05 11:06 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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That explains it grimocin, thanks for the information. You seem to have alot of experience in the field. Well im gonna stick to this strain for the next couple of years and hopefully i'll be able to stabilize it.
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: El_Presidente]
#4907204 - 11/07/05 10:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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glad i could help.
i actually dont have any experience in breeding pot. however botany is a hobby of mine. i learned most of my pot breeding knowledge from reading up on the UBC Chemo strain. i read alot of the research papers from UBC about the breeding of the strain.
stick with your strain. it might only take 2 more generations to stabilize it. sometimes it takes 20 generations and sometimes people get lucky and it takes as few as 5 generations ( this is what most strains like "NL #5 x Haze" types are).
remember when starting with 2 stabilized strains as the parents of the new strain it takes ALOT less generations to stabilize since both gene pools are already limited. with wild strains or un-stabilized strains as the parents it takes alot more time to stabilize because of the larger gene pool.
remember dont use every plant you grow to breed. only pick the males and females with the traits you want to keep. then when you get the seeds from those plants and grow the new seeds only use the plants with the same traits you wanted to keep to breed, that in itself is the very basic fundamental of selective breeding.
Post your results when you get a seed stock from a plant and the seeds produce very similar plants!!
looking forward to see what they look like.
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#4981372 - 11/25/05 09:16 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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el presidente is a liar
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Re: Cannabis strain with extremely high THC concentration [Re: StrophariaShaman]
#4982114 - 11/26/05 01:17 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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man if i had a dime for every time i herd this story...
the odds of you creating a new superstrain are minute. id say odds are you just got lucky with your grow setup and u should look at any changes that ocurred in the process to find out why your plants are better then usual.
also there is no such thing as a registered cannabis cultivar that i know of. people name their weeds whatever they want and it is the consumer and seller who decide wether or not the name will stick. it has nothing to do with the nature of the plant itself.
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