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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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i aggree with you, how can we know? all we can do is be ourselves and feel sorry for humanity, its not fair.
btw, allah is god. its the same god worshipped differently, once it was all one religeon.
but you know the insugents, dispite their pride in allah are fighting for their way of life, they are standing at the doors of their houses with guns while tanks roll over their mothers grave. what would you do if the islamic majority came in and started shooting up any american with a gun?
thats alot of americans.

Edited by Mitchnast (05/02/05 11:50 AM)

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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Mitchnast]
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Oh and Germany was a democracy when Hitler came to power and it is a democracy now. It is the culture that changed in a paradigm shift. Just as the U.S. has since the days of killing Indians and lynching blacks.


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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Tao]
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"The aftereffect was not deliberate or known"

so youre saying that its not genocide if you previously diddnt consider it as genocide, i get you now

"You may like to paint me as a flag waving patriot, but you'd be dead wrong in that assumption"

you think this is about you?

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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Mitchnast]
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i agree the war is not right and i would feel the same way. We got to understand we are children from a greater mother. and its like that cibil rivalry.

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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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i like how you care.

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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Mitchnast]
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I do care. But at the same time im in no positian to make a war stop. Im a root a feed tube for the government. Im stuck in the ground and have to work to survive, the government sucks my life to feed its own. Its scary

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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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you see were really no different from the people that live in iraq. the problem starts when we think were better we think we have to change them. theres always going to be alot of people grateful. but then, think of how many americans would be happy if the current government was overthrown and replaced with a new one out of the woodwork, created by the people. and solely there for governing them and working towards a more socialist society.
consider millions would have to die.
an entire type of people removed, in a word genocide.
the people left would be those who would benifet from the destruction, just like modern iraq.
leave only to people who are grateful and it will look like mission accomplished.

but thats the way democracy goes, you kill evryone until the survivors live like you. communist nations boast a simmilar M.O.

china committed acts of genocide against tibet.
some would say japan did so against china, but others beleive it has to be within your own nation.
i sa when you clense away opposing peoples. or persecute them untill they cannot function as their society and begin to become extinct, you've commited genocide. the dictionary would aggree with me. thats what the word means, whatever personal meaning it has to an individual must take a backseat to the literal english definition. or, if you like, latin.

sometimes i feel theres not enough discussion before turning to activism. on both sides of the power scale.

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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Mitchnast]
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People that lived with communisim sometimes look back to the days of comunisim as the good ole days. Free health care ect.

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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Mitchnast]
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Good lord you are long-winded.

We were going by the UN definition of genoicide that you gave.

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think of how many americans would be happy if the current government was overthrown and replaced with a new one out of the woodwork, created by the people. and solely there for governing them and working towards a more socialist society.
consider millions would have to die.
an entire type of people removed, in a word genocide.



No, that is NOT genocide. Genocide as it has been interpreted by international law, is when you are attempting to remove an ethnic, religious or national group.

And your hypothetical situation in the U.S. is not analagous since Saddam's government was not a democratic one--i.e. representing the people, whereas ours is. Inevitably in cannot be a perfect representation in order to avoid majority factions trampling on the rights of others, but it does not violently repress and kill political movements it opposes like Saddam did with the Kurds after the Gulf War. Everyone from the KKK to Greenpeace to Socialist Workers are allowed to protest and voice their opinion.


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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Mitchnast]
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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: ToTheSummit]
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Right on man, I'm with you on that one.

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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: ChuangTzu]
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so by the term genocide we shouldnt be allowed to kill herds of deer, ants, and any other group of animal for reasons other then food? That would make sence to me.. Being we all inhabit this planet and are all races of beings..

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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: hawksapprentice]
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hawksapprentice said:
Its interesting you say that we put the gun in the hand of that child when most of these people are actually trying to kill eachother because they think that they have the right to a specified piece of land.  Not that america doesn't rape the world.  But were not the only completely FUCKED UP country out there.  Look at israel and palestine, and regardless of our occupation of iraq, the suni would still be terrorizing the rest of the population that disagrees with their point of view.  Saying america is fucked up is pretty ironic. 

  This whole world is fairly fucked up.  At least the majority of civilian americans dont kill eachother for not being catholic, or lutheran or what have you.  I hate what our government is doing just as much as most europeans hate it.  But you sitting there generalizing every person in our country because our government and corporations are trying to rule the world isn't solving a goddamn thing.  All your doing is perpetuating more hate.  Shame on you.



actually, you're right.  see the thing is, theres nothing that says we did or didn't put the gun in the hand of that child...some of you are missing the point of this thread.  it's not to influence people, its not to start a revolt or anything like that, dont feel like you're being forced to feel what others feel, the point of my thread was to open your eyes to see the different opinions and attitudes people have on this board toward America, and the reason I said post PICS and not comments is because pictures are full of art and can depict ideas a lot better than words themselves can.  I love seeing the pics of people enjoying themselves in America's beautiful places.  That to me is just as important as the pictures of political pursuasion.  You feel one way, post a picture that you feel represents your feeling.


MORE PICS, LESS DISCUSSION PLEASE :smile:

p.s. I'm not generalizing ANYONE, and I'm certainly not trying to solve ANYTHING.


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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: kake]
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Sorry, but when someone insinuates that America can be depicted by a picture of the Nazis it is bound to evoke a response, like it or not.


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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Hooty]
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Hooty said:




:lol:


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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: CherryBom]
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I wonder if there's someone who puts that on every dollar bill that comes their way :lol:


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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Tao]
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Tao said:
I_rage_against & Sheik: :thumbup:

That's exactly what I'm saying.  Americans have done horrendous deeds in the past, sure, but to compare it to Nazi or Stalinist regimes is an insult to those who suffered through them.



I think our genocide against the Native Americans is a somewhat fair comparison, and slavery is nothing to scoff at, but certainly nothing we're currently engaged in warrants such hyperbole.


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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Tao]
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Like those Where's George fanatics. Some people go apeshit over that.


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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Silversoul]
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Right, by "it" I meant America's current government.


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Re: A M E R I C A - post pics here that you feel resemble the US of A [Re: Mitchnast]
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Are the Boy Scouts a "government"?


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