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OfflineChemical_Bliss
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DMT extraction question....
    #4095739 - 04/25/05 05:39 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Say that one just finished basifying and is now performing the final extraction with naptha....

Is the resulting emulsion always pink\orange? Or can it be brown?
And is there a problem if the solvent layer is brownish instead of clear?

Would any of the above problems come from inadequete defating?

Any help on this matter would be greatly apreciated.


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Re: DMT extraction question.... [Re: Chemical_Bliss]
    #4095815 - 04/25/05 05:52 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

How long are you waiting for the liquids to seperate? The emulsion layer can be brownish-orangish. The naptha won't be completely clear, but it definitely shouldn't be brown. If anything, it will just have a slight orange tint to it.

For now, I'd recommend only doing your first naptha extraction. Then perform the sodium carbonate/water wash and make sure that gets rid of all the color and the resulting naptha is clear. Once you know that works, finish up your naptha grabs.

You don't really need to defat with mimosa hostilis, but one or two definitely won't hurt. What DMT source did you use? Do you have any way to measure the pH of your base solution? Are you following a tek?


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Re: DMT extraction question.... [Re: Letto]
    #4095857 - 04/25/05 06:00 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The emulsion layer is a light colored brown, most certainly not orangish. Yes I am using Mimosa Hostilis and yes I am following a tek...Yodas.

The color of the naptha layer was just what I noticed as soon as the layer became visible, all and all it was probly just my impatience as it seems to be clearing up a bit now.

Any more input?


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Re: DMT extraction question.... [Re: Chemical_Bliss]
    #4095866 - 04/25/05 06:01 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

And also...

I did defat twice with naptha
And the pH of the base solution is 11


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Re: DMT extraction question.... [Re: Chemical_Bliss]
    #4095896 - 04/25/05 06:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

No the post basifying emulsion isn't pink as the base should have made your solution turn black. If it didn't turn black you have not reached the necessary pH.
Your emulsion should be brown.

As for the NPS in my extractions it is usually clear, but it always appears brownish before i separate b/c of reflection from the polar layer. Can that be the case in your extraction?

If it is indeed brownish after separation wash that stuff thoroughly with a water+sodium carbonate solution till it looses its color. If you don't have sodium carbonate at hand you can wash it with NaOH water till it looses the brown color and than do a couple quick washes with ice-cold dH2O to remove any leftover NaOH.

I personally remove hydroxides with plain dH2O as i can only find sodium carbonate in 10kg amounts :crazy: I don't feel like buying 10kg of the stuff when all that is needed is a few hundred milligrams each extraction...

Any plain water washes should be done quickly, with very small amounts of ice-cold dH2O to minimize the amount of alkaloid salted out as pH 7 water can still disolve some DMT.


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Re: DMT extraction question.... [Re: Chemical_Bliss]
    #4095904 - 04/25/05 06:07 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, I took light colored brown to be orangish, so same thing; everything is fine. Just wait for a complete seperation and everything will be cool.

Once you have all your naptha, I suggest using: "Option 2 is cleaning and purification. To do this, you wash it with whatever solvent the DMT WONT dissolve in. A thourough cleaning would involve (starting with the freebase dissolved in nonploar solvent): Add equal volume of salt water, agitate, separate, discard the water layer. "

Instead of salt water, use sodium carbonate if you have some. Don't let the water and naptha sit together too long. They will seperate immediately. Just shake it (you don't need to flip it end over end) and let it seperate, then in a miunte or two discard the water. If you want, repeat again with just plain water, no salt or sodium carbonate. This will get all the lye and other harsh smoking impurities out of your naptha (but it also takes some DMT). Then proceed to evaporation or freeze seperation.

Edit: pH of 11 sounds low. I've always heard to go to 12 or 13, or until the base solution turns black like esin said. I'd continue without adding more lye, but save your base solution just in case you end up getting only a small amount of DMT (possibly even none).


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Re: DMT extraction question.... [Re: Letto]
    #4095920 - 04/25/05 06:11 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Alright thats great news. I will indeed do the cleaning.

Thanks for all your help guys.


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Re: DMT extraction question.... [Re: Chemical_Bliss]
    #4095933 - 04/25/05 06:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The base solution is indeed very black. I will still take your advice.


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