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Re: emotional cheating [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
AlChemicalResearch said:
how is it authoritarian?  you are denying the very nature and biology of the people you are with.



What species other than ours would sign a legally binding lifetime relationship contract or make any type of lifetime relationship commitment promise?  It is as foolish as agreeing to a 40 year employment contract when you are 25.  What sane person would do that?  What parent would teach their kids this is a wise choice? 

The Institution of Marriage is a form of voluntary authoritarianism.  It's inhumane and unnatural - no other species would consider it for a moment.  We put swan pairs on wedding cakes because we believe they pair bond for life, but that is a lie.  They pair bond for a mating season. 

Millions of people are miserable, as they suffer thru their "promise" that they made of lifetime commitment.  The vast majority of humans just do not thrive under such duress.  They might survive a 50 year commitment, but most people do not thrive.         

And as far as a marriage license, why would anyone insert the legal system into their relationship?  What pressure & chaos it adds. 

Notice "progressives" refuse to address this sacred cow.



there are plenty of monogamous species. Penguins, voles, etc. over 90% of bird species are monogamous, and about 10% of mammalian species are monogamous. 

the majority of humans who get married stay married. yes, the majority of marriages end in divorce, but it's a misleading statistic. If you get one divorce, on average you will have like 3.7 divorces. So basically there is a subset of people who just are unable to commit to a relationship. This is most likely due to a destruction of the ability to produce oxytocin due to promiscuity. Oxytocin is the hormone/neurotransmitter that induces social bonding. So between sexual partners, between a parent and a child, but also between social circles. There is a direct relationship between oxytocin production and sexual partners (not sexual experiences). There is 100% a biological difference between having sex with 100 people once and having sex with one person 100 times. This is why prostitution is looked down upon in society. It is because in a society, the prostitutes are the ones that don't bond with anyone and would be ok with fraternizing with an enemy tribe and give them advice on how to conquer a neighboring tribe. Humans are 100% designed to have loving relationships. This evolved from having secondary sexual characteristics present at all times, as opposed to just when a female is in estrus. Most mammals have a period of "heat" where the males know the females are fertile, and secondary sexual characteristics become pronounced and males become aroused and mate. With humans, secondary sexual characteristics are present at all times. As such, if we only mated when we were horny, humans would not mate as often as we would become desensitized to seeing secondary sexual characteristics (i.e. porn addiction and ED). So humans evolved to have sex for other reasons except pure sexual arousal.

As far as marriage goes, the entire idea of it is to create economic benefits for starting a family and raising a household. Plain and simple. It really has nothing to do with love or attraction and if you view marriage as purely because of love and attraction, that is probably why you will get divorced at least 3.7 times in your life.


Your entire viewpoint is unscientific and lacks reason. It is the viewpoint of an immature teenager who wants to justify lack of commitment or signal some sort of transcended understanding of human relationship. But ultimately, its not a new viewpoint. It's been around for centuries. And despite this fact, and the fact everyone is aware if it, most people get married and stay married. Almost as if there is a driving force behind monogamy that circumvents "logic and reason" as you probably see it.

We are slaves to our biology, for better or for worse. Fighting it normally leads to some sort of suffering or discontent.

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Re: emotional cheating [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
Why do many people feel they have the right to demand and require their partner not have close relationships with other people?  It seems like a form of ownership.  Will humans ever evolve past this egotistical perspective?  It has always perplexed me.



See I was gonna respond to that seriously then I saw that you're just a bog-standard cuckolding shill.
Yeah my bad.
This right here is why — People don't want people like you preying on their spouse. :biggrin::rolleyes:

Edited by Anonymous (09/07/26 04:26 AM)

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Re: emotional cheating [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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That and monogamy creates a much higher level of societal investment which promotes prosocial behavior, labor participation and overall what we'd call a livable society.

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Re: emotional cheating [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Monogamy does not promote prosocial behavior. If anything it promotes anti-social behavior
Also monogamy ain't natural. People are mostly too insecure to be open to alternatives and too afraid of being judged for admitting they'd like to have relationships (of any kind) with more than one person of the opposite sex

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Re: emotional cheating [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Of course it's not natural. Society isn't natural. That doesn't make it any less valuable. If "natural" patterns were conducive to a functional civilization we'd primarily reproduce through rape, which is naturally more pleasurable and primarily sleep with teenagers which are naturally attractive.

The point of being a human is to act in a way that maximizes thriving in contravention to natural impulses.

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Re: emotional cheating [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Jesus are you the "rape is natural" guy?
Apparently you're also the "everyone would prefer to fuck teenagers because I wish I could" guy

You've got some fucked up ideas bub

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Re: emotional cheating [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Natural doesn't mean good. In fact many natural things are objectively damaging. It's up to a discerning mind to understand that. Arguments from nature are inherently morally corrupt because nature isn't moral.

Either way. Monogamy is at an all-time low so you're winning. I take it you like the world you've created.
Be well.

Edited by Anonymous (09/07/26 09:36 AM)

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Re: emotional cheating [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Anonymous #2 said:
Monogamy does not promote prosocial behavior. If anything it promotes anti-social behavior
Also monogamy ain't natural. People are mostly too insecure to be open to alternatives and too afraid of being judged for admitting they'd like to have relationships (of any kind) with more than one person of the opposite sex




Monogamy is very natural. About 10% of mammalian species and over 90% of bird species are monogamous. There are very specific evolutionary reasons why humans are monogamous, as I've already explained in the post at the top of the page.

Unless you have a different definition of natural. I'm assuming by the word "natural" you mean "previously existing in nature" and "not a function of organized society"

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Re: emotional cheating [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Anonymous #1 said:
Natural doesn't mean good. In fact many natural things are objectively damaging. It's up to a discerning mind to understand that. Arguments from nature are inherently morally corrupt because nature isn't moral.

Either way. Monogamy is at an all-time low so you're winning. I take it you like the world you've created.
Be well.



Anonymous #2 said:
You've got some fucked up ideas bub



Your reading comprehension could use some help too

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Re: emotional cheating [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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AlChemicalResearch said:
Anonymous #2 said:
Monogamy does not promote prosocial behavior. If anything it promotes anti-social behavior
Also monogamy ain't natural. People are mostly too insecure to be open to alternatives and too afraid of being judged for admitting they'd like to have relationships (of any kind) with more than one person of the opposite sex




Monogamy is very natural. About 10% of mammalian species and over 90% of bird species are monogamous. There are very specific evolutionary reasons why humans are monogamous, as I've already explained in the post at the top of the page.

Unless you have a different definition of natural. I'm assuming by the word "natural" you mean "previously existing in nature" and "not a function of organized society"



Bullshit back up those fact or else.


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Re: emotional cheating [Re: vicepope]
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vicepope said:
AlChemicalResearch said:
Anonymous #2 said:
Monogamy does not promote prosocial behavior. If anything it promotes anti-social behavior
Also monogamy ain't natural. People are mostly too insecure to be open to alternatives and too afraid of being judged for admitting they'd like to have relationships (of any kind) with more than one person of the opposite sex




Monogamy is very natural. About 10% of mammalian species and over 90% of bird species are monogamous. There are very specific evolutionary reasons why humans are monogamous, as I've already explained in the post at the top of the page.

Unless you have a different definition of natural. I'm assuming by the word "natural" you mean "previously existing in nature" and "not a function of organized society"



Bullshit back up those fact or else.





Lukas, D; Clutton-Brock, T.H. (2013). "The evolution of social monogamy in mammals" (PDF). Science. 341 (6145): 526–530. Bibcode:2013Sci...341..526L. doi:10.1126/science.1238677. PMID 23896459. S2CID 13965568.

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Of the 2543 mammalian species whose social systems could be classified, females were
classified as solitary in 1740 species (68%), as socially monogamous in 226 species (9%), as
living in unstable groups in 133 species (5%), and as living in stable groups in a further 444
species (17%). The proportion of socially monogamous species in our sample is slightly higher
than frequently reported earlier estimates (3%, (1)), but is still an order of magnitude lower than
in birds, where 90% of species are considered to be socially monogamous (25). Social
monogamy occurs more frequently in some mammalian Orders, such as Primates (104 of 359
species, 29%) and Carnivora (33 of 201 species, 16%), and is uncommon in others, such as Rodentia (57 of 951 species, 6%), and absent in a few, including Cetacea (0 of 54 species) (see
Table S1)



So basically in higher primates, large carnivore species it is more common than in say rodent species. And ok, its 9%, not 10%, I rounded up. My point is, that is not unnatural.

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