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Lizard Labs is busted * 1
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Well the party is over


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The US government is also believed to be behind the targeting on Tuesday by Dutch police of a laboratory, Lizard Labs, near the city of Maastricht, which makes LSD analogues currently legal in some countries, including Germany. The raid was confirmed to VICE World News by insiders, who filmed police entering the warehouse. Equipment was seized and the lab’s website was shut down by the US government.


https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgykwq/fentanyl-europe-dark-web

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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: viraldrome] * 2
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Damn! They made the best LSD analogues. All the 1P and 1V and legal RC's mostly came from them. That's going to leave a huge hole in the marketplace. :nonono:

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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: veggie] * 1
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I think they have been building a case for a while. They have put sanctions on the owners of a few other big NL vendors too, all in the same day.

Take note that their partner in spain, scientific innovation, was busted a couple years ago. I don't think there was enough evidence for them to bust LL at the time. LL also recently did a vice interview and showed their lab, vaguely talked about synthesis, and talked about continuing to develope new lysergamides to skirt the coming bans.

If you look at the documents that talk about sanctioning RGN, SC/GR8, and another connected vendor, you can find information that shows their btc addresses used, front businesses, etc. Given that the sanctions are over fentalogues i think vendors in other countries that stayed away from opoids may be safe, but seeing linked btc addresses tells me they are looking to trace transactions. They mention stimulant chems in the document as well though.

What i noticed over the years is that this is prime time for vendors connected to exit scam or disappear entirely. Things will start new and go on like they always do, but for now theres gunna be some serious shadiness going on in the RC world.

There was also a major chinese vendor who was arrested this year, long standing vendor. Its partners are operating like normal but word is they had to pay the piper for some unknown reason and are gone.

When the dust settles we will see who stuck around and what new innovations the power structure changing brings. It is looking more and more like fentanyl analogues are whats killing the RC industry, and the U.S. government is going to pressure foreign governments to shut down big distributors and labs.

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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: TheDirtFarmer] * 4
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How terrible, they were the worl;ds main source of lysergamide innovation.


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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: viraldrome]
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Are places playing the analog game with fentanyl and making like, O-fent-3ope etc etc?


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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: Amanita86]
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Amanita86 said:
Are places playing the analog game with fentanyl and making like, O-fent-3ope etc etc?


More like acetylfentanyl, furanylfentanyl, acrylfentanyl. I don't think tacking other structures onto the fent backbone like that would be particularly marketable, and with harm reduction groups doing analysis it would be discovered fast, ruining vendors reputations.

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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: TheDirtFarmer] * 3
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Fentanyl almost seems like the PERFECT boogie man and scape goat for Governments to RAMP UP violence, extortion, and destruction on all people involved with selling or manufacturing substances. They cant go shooting or blowing shit up over a little lsd, but if fent is involved they have the green light to come guns blazing.  I believe fentanyl is intentional conspiracy to do the stated, and kill people at the bottom of society that are a succubus on the system or isnt working for the masters. They just brought in fent to kill all these people, just like they brought in covid to wipe out the people above in nursing homes and on SS and Gov assistance. Wipe out these 2 groups all you have left is is the slaves that work and their masters that own them.
Cutting the dead slack...Fent and Covid were intentional. And worked better than mr. Clean at wiping it up in some cases. Nobody had to get there hands dirty. "Its china and mexico killing your kids with fentanyl"

Do you really think that if America said we are going to stop this anthrax like substance NOW. That we dont have the power to scare or force any offending party straight? We absolutley could stop this...but that would be counter productive to the real op. To take out everyone outside the working class


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Edited by Grungeman17 (11/12/22 03:45 PM)

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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: Grungeman17] * 1
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Grungeman17 said:
Fentanyl almost seems like the PERFECT boogie man and scape goat for Governments to RAMP UP violence, extortion, and destruction on all people involved with selling or manufacturing substances. They cant go shooting or blowing shit up over a little lsd, but if fent is involved they have the green light to come guns blazing.  I believe fentanyl is intentional conspiracy to do the stated, and kill people at the bottom of society that are a succubus on the system or isnt working for the masters. They just brought in fent to kill all these people, just like they brought in covid to wipe out the people above in nursing homes and on SS and Gov assistance. Wipe out these 2 groups all you have left is is the slaves that work and their masters that own them.
Cutting the dead slack...Fent and Covid were intentional. And worked better than mr. Clean at wiping it up in some cases. Nobody had to get there hands dirty. "Its china and mexico killing your kids with fentanyl"

Do you really think that if America said we are going to stop this anthrax like substance NOW. That we dont have the power to scare or force any offending party straight? We absolutley could stop this...but that would be counter productive to the real op. To take out everyone outside the working class



I agree with part of it. Fent always seemed intentional to me. The only people it hurts are people deemed undesirable by the government.

RC world moved away from fentalogues a while back though. Now its shit like etazene, metonitazene, dipyanone, and 2-methyl-AP-237. I don't think any of them are fent level dangerous but they will still kill you or leave you a fiend if your not careful.

What i thought was real weird was that LL never produced any opioids as far as i know. Everything else sure but they never listed anything even closely opiate related that i can remember. I think they went down because they were too well known and tied to shady partners who sold opioid chems, probably wound up investigated because their name popped up one too many times in busts. Then they went on vice and guy showed his face.

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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
How terrible, they were the worl;ds main source of lysergamide innovation.


People are going to realize in the coming months they were pretty much the source of everything. I like tryptamines but I don't think I will be be buying Chinese 4-aco-dmt. lizards made these awesome pellets



I wish i had put more effort into getting some DOC and 2cb-fly and they made those too but they are banned in canada. I doubt I will trust some black market lab to make that stuff.

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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: viraldrome]
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Holy fuck...NO...just NO.  This is not a good thing, not at all...  :oldman:

Whelp, there goes the vetted primary source of relatively safe & reliable goods on the CW that I know of.  I consistently had good, easy, & simple experiences dealing with LL. 

Fucking a, the US gov..lordly lord....:smbfacepalm:
Who knows when's the next time I'll be able to find something that fills the gap left by the Liz. 

I guess that means its time to start thinking about tightening up my weak DNM game.  :nonono:


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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: The Blind Ass]
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All anybody wants is some fucking opiods, doesn't matter how dangerous.:sun:

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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: The Blind Ass]
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The Blind Ass said:
  I guess that means its time to start thinking about tightening up my weak DNM game.  :nonono:


For me I think its time to make smelly hippie friends at festivals.

What always bothered me about buying LSD is I don't know if its really 1p, in which case i feel I'm getting scammed, even though i love 1p. That's going to end. The amount of analogues in the LSD market will decrease as time goes on, soon it will be extremely rare. They never sold huge amounts at wholesale prices for that reason, when i see erowid testing on social media these days most of the LSD tests real anyway. It looks like LSD market is pretty healthy.

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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: viraldrome]
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viraldrome said:
The Blind Ass said:
  I guess that means its time to start thinking about tightening up my weak DNM game.  :nonono:


For me I think its time to make smelly hippie friends at festivals.

What always bothered me about buying LSD is I don't know if its really 1p, in which case i feel I'm getting scammed, even though i love 1p. That's going to end. The amount of analogues in the LSD market will decrease as time goes on, soon it will be extremely rare. They never sold huge amounts at wholesale prices for that reason, when i see erowid testing on social media these days most of the LSD tests real anyway. It looks like LSD market is pretty healthy.


LSD market is strong for sure. LL made more than just lysergamides though. They were supplying a good deal of vendors with tryptamines, dissociatives, stimulants, and possibly benzos as well.

The funny thing is i do not recall even once over the years them listing opioids. Some of their busted and sanctioned partners did, but i don't believe those chems were ever sourced from LL.

Lets hope that LL beats this case, because the chems they manufactured were all legal in NL, and as far as im aware there was zero involvement in the sale of opioids. The u.s. government should not have any business forcing raids on vendors selling legal chemicals in foreign countries.

On a side note, 4-aco-dmt and many of the safer tryptamines i think were banned in china. So with LL gone, those will dry up at least temporarily. All the big chinese shops i know of now stock only chlorinated, fluorinated, and brominated 5-subbed tryptamines, and they all are generally trash compared to the 4 and 5 subbed tryptamines that were available before. Canadian companies will sell out or flat out disappear because they were mostly LL distributors. 

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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: viraldrome] * 4
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I just want to give a big thank you to Lizard Labs and everyone who worked there or contributed to it. You guys were the best, and you'll all be sorely missed.

Thank you for the lysergamide revolution, we'll never forget you. You turned more people on to lysergamides than anyone since the 60s. Thank each and every one of you for all the amazing things you did.

From all of us here, I hope you beat the charges. We're all rooting for you. We love you. Wishing you all the best.

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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: nooneman] * 1
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Nice note nooneman. I honestly would have sank deep into alcoholism in 2020 if i didn't have a stash of these doses. The thought of having another trip next month really kept me going during the darkest days of the pandemic.

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I think its going to come down to if The Dutch extradite the LL (crew?) (guy?)


The notice of seizure says

"It is unlawful to manufacture or distribute any Schedule I or Schedule II Controlled Substance or its analogues, intending, knowing, or having reasonable cause to believe that such substance or chemical will be unlawfully imported into the United States."

The site had a list of approved vendors and notes on which ones shipped internationally. They knew that selling to vendor X would result in the product ending up in the USA. 

Americans put Columbians in prison for cocaine even if they just sold it to Mexicans, because they knew where it going to end up. Its a weird double standard because I could tell a Texas gun show dealer I planed to resell these guns to the Mexican cartels and nothing would happen to them. Its ok for Americans to knowingly violate other nations laws....

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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: viraldrome]
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They would probably say it’s their job to make sure nothing ends up here and it’s those other countries jobs to make sure nothing ends up there..


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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: Amanita86]
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Amanita86 said:
They would probably say it’s their job to make sure nothing ends up here and it’s those other countries jobs to make sure nothing ends up there..



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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: TheDirtFarmer]
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Are they back or what's up with this ???

Anybody know or what


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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: Purple sunset]
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Purple sunset said:
Are they back or what's up with this ???

Anybody know or what


I dont think LL is coming back. Or at the very least if they do none of their distributors will ship to the U.S. The remaining vendors have gotten rid of the option to ship to the U.S.

I do think that in their absence another lab will fill the market in the rest of the world. Its too lucrative for labs to pass up. Especially if they have the capabilities to manufacture basically all in demand chems.

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Re: Lizard Labs is busted [Re: viraldrome]
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LSD doesn't seem to improve people's lives in a meaningful way like mushrooms can do, so good riddance.

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