Hey guys!
Just a reminder. A lot of "reverse trolls" like to stifle new ideas. A user might post something interesting, a new idea at least, and they'll go off on how wrong they are. Best reason I can come up with for this behavior is an ego-investment that they couldn't ever do something inefficiently. In other words, they are confidently ignorant. Beware of the "reverse troll", because they have tradition on their side. They're really easy to just believe at face value.
Here, a user posted a new recipe for an extract meant to preserve psilocin. https://www.psychonaut.fr/Thread-Best-way-to-store-and-prepare-mushrooms-w-o-potency-loss
If you're the type who doesn't like clicking links, I dont blame you. Here's what the op (lysergamideman) wrote:
This is the best way I have found to store or prepare psilocybin mushrooms.
go buy pure 100% lemon juice, get a big jug (I use a gallon jug) put all your mushrooms in it add the bottle of lemon juice (enough to cover all the shrooms, I usually find a large bottle of lemon juice once mushrooms are added is enough to make a gallon of shroom lemonade) freeze it , by freezing it you cause the cell membranes in the mushroom to burst releasing all the active into the juice. The lemon juices citric acid preserves the psilocin & the psilocybin, which when you dry mushrooms you totally loose psilocin which degrades there strength significantly.
The first reply is a naysayer (named HeartCore) who was defending the traditional way of preservation.
It's a cool method but not the best way.
If you dry shrooms cracker dry and then package them airtight and put them in a (deep) freezer, potency stays good for years. I've personally had them between 3 and 4 years old without noticeable loss of potency.
This is arguably the best way to store them long term.
He notes that it's arguably the best way to store them, but he isn't leaving much room for a logical argument?
Then the OP posts a solid, rational reply:
Most shrooms contain psilocin and psilocybin, psilocybin quickly deteriorates in oxygen, so drying them out your loosing the psilocin , so unless you are talking about a strain or mushrooms that contains psilocybin only (which is rare & unlikely) there are experiencing some potency loss.
HeartCore resorts to this kind of behavior:
You are not loosing 'the' psilocin. You will loose some of both, but it's negligible.
You won't experience potency loss because the loss is so small, you won't feel it.
Citation :
Ya if you want a super long term storage that way is best. My method is more intended for a short term (months) and to get the maximum effect. The method described increases the bioavailability of the actives making for a much stronger efffect than if the same amount was used in any other methods.
Super long? Even for a year its one of the best methods. And very convenient to store etc...
And much stronger effect is just not true, regardless of your subjective experience *Wink*
OP is intelligent enough not to further involve himself in this now negative situation. The first troll has distorted the truth with incessant confusion.
But then in came a new user named opithium to give his two cents which was just the cherry on top, as he comes in with supposed cold, hard science to back up the traditional way:
if someone were to reconstitute the dried mushrooms in lemon juice and do as you said, or even just simply take the mushrooms with lemon juice, you would notice the same effects. the amped up effects, if any, are going to be from the acid in the juice working together with the acid in your stomache, basically, speeding up digestion. there is no evidence that shows that lemon juice works in any other way to increase effects or preserve potency, unless you have some research to share with us. i think that the freezing of mushrooms in a liquid before ingestion might be beneficial in speeding up digestion as well, since part of the job is already done, but i believe that any liquid could be of use for this.
psilocin is not a substance that makes one trip. let me explain. when one consumes mushrooms, psilocybin (along with psilocin) enters the bloodstream. when psilocybin attaches to the receptor sites and then finally "breaks down" (rather it is converted) into psilocin, the body excretes it as waste. psilocin is the metabolite of psilocybin, it is its own substance, but psilocin is what is leftover after the body metabolizes, or breaks down, psilocybin. but this is not limited to "the body". the mushrooms have other living organisms on them metabolizing psylocybin into psilocin as well, and while this may not be the only factor, as im sure the mushroom has some use for these substances as well, it certainly explains at least partially why psilocybin and psilocin are both present in a mushroom at the time of picking. hope that helps a bit
This is just untrue.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/chemistry/psilocin
Mechanism of Action
Psilocybin is dephosphorylated to its active metabolite psilocin (4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine), which can cross the blood–brain barrier.
Remember guys. Reverse trolls are out there, and they exist to, quite convincingly, stifle your creativity. All in the name of their ego not being hurt.
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