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Re: What is Realization? [Re: Peyote Road]
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Also, just wanted to clarify that I don't run this organisation. I've been a member for the last 6 years and the teachings have profoundly changed my life in ways I could never have possibly imagined a few years ago. In that time I was never asked to pay any money, but now as we expand there are costs which there weren't before, one of the reasons we now ask a small contribution. I actually now volunteer for the group because I really want more people to be able to have a similar experience, rid themselves of suffering and be able to live blissful and ecstatic lives :heart:


I'm glad to hear it's worked out for you. Can you describe what sort of state you have attained through these teachings?


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The path of the herbalist is to open ourselves to nature in an innocent and pure way. SHe in turn will open her bounty and reward us with many valuable secrets. May the earth bless you. - Michael Tierra

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Re: What is Realization? [Re: Peyote Road]
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Yeah I think get where you’re coming from. Commonly Moksha refers to be complete liberation from the cycle of birth and death and this structure of creation (i.e complete release of all karma) whereas “Realization” is not complete liberation, but the undoing of enough karma and bringing together mind and heart to enter into a state of spiritual perception, the beginning of the Bodhisattva path towards full liberation. (Although sometimes Moksha is synonymous with Realization too.)

It’s probably my fault for naming the thread incorrectly. The video is from our homepage and so I just used that title without really thinking about if it might be misleading when posted on a discussion forum. We are very lucky to have a really talented video guy who makes all the videos in house and I always assume that people will enjoy the videos as much as I do lol.

I guess it also depends somewhat on your level of experience and knowledge of such things too...But yes, if we are talking about a truly authentic realized state, it is bringing together the mind and the heart. In our school, we call it Will and Intention - The Will being the ability to focus single-pointedly to bring the mind into Samadhi. The Intention being the ability to awaken the heart into a state of complete loving compassion. You can have the absorption of mind-only Samadhi without the intention of the heart, which is probably some level of realization, but it is the union of the two brings about the true spiritual “Stream” state. :heart:


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.
~ Rumi


The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir

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Re: What is Realization? [Re: Peyote Road] * 1
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Peyote Road said:
I'm glad to hear it's worked out for you. Can you describe what sort of state you have attained through these teachings?


Well, honestly I’ve gone from someone who was pretty neurotic, having issues with anxiety, Pure O (which pretty much took over my life), and maybe even bordering on (drug-induced) delusions for a while, to having complete mental stability over the course of a few years. 99% of my anxiety is gone, completely, along with so many other issues I used to have, anger, neediness, a lot of attachments etc. I am able to generate a pretty blissful state (physical and mental) a lot of the time through working with intention and inner energies - I have active Kundalini (given to me through direct transmission by my teacher) and have learnt how to generate Tummo. There have been times when (in both meditation and waking state) that I have had so much bliss that it feels like I’ve taken 150mg MDMA, and have had to stop my social interaction at times because it’s just so overwhelming lol. I’m not a Stream-winner yet, but over recent months have started to touch on this state, especially since I’ve relocated to be near my teacher and group. My intention is pretty strong you see, but my will still needs some work so I am able to maintain these states when I hit them. Most importantly, I can feel my heart. It has been dead a long time and I have spent pretty much my entire life being completely self-absorbed and self-ish, but now, I am actually able to feel some love and compassion for others, even though I still have much work to do in this area :sun:


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.
~ Rumi


The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir

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Re: What is Realization? [Re: PocketLady]
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"Stream-winner"
terms like these are redflags.
So - Peyote, almost wrote you a note of thanks.

So - first is feel, go by feel and what does it feel like. Every action of a person shows what they are like.

I can feel a death-pull from the website - that's the best I can describe it.

You should always follow your intuition.

Nameless and nebulous, applies to the "Teachers."

'There is no fear in love, and perfect love casts out fear.'

Contrast this with a genuine teacher of any sort.

Do they ever say serve the poor?  Feed the poor?  Give money to the poor?

Nope.

Language is a second thing.


Those are very similar in these types of groups.


One of the big things is the goal seems to have nothing to do with doing good -- but rather getting more powerful.


One occult writer wrote: "for one to be lifted up, others have to be pushed down."

There are several of these who used pseudonyms and wrote dozens and hundreds of books.

There is a similarity to many of them; and later, groups came from these, such as the "Great White Brotherhood."


The basic pattern of New Age in general is to take spiritual ideas from various cultures.

Very strange indeed that then they conside they are the way out of confusion :sun:


The G.W.B. is one of the better ones in fact..  But -- they take from things indisciriminately. . .

So, they will take from Osho without giving a second thought. 


If you don't know why that's not such a good thing, there's one who always doesn't mind sharing why. :smile:

Anyway.


Anytime someone asks you for money to join their family. Say no.

All those things are

1), ancient,
2), borrowed or stolen --
3), free

PocketLady, can you give any kind of over-view of the different stages? 

Like - a new initiate would be given what title or stage?


And -- do you have any information about the leader?


Do they have a stage or title they have attained?


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"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
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Re: What is Realization? [Re: life is good]
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Nice timing. One minute apart.


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"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
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Re: What is Realization? [Re: life is good]
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I mean obviously they keep things extremely closed and secret; but I'm wondering how much.

Do they keep their founder's name(s) secret? Do they keep their "Lineage" secret?

An over-use of the words "authentic realization" generally indicates it is not that at all.  Simplicity is the goal in spiritual life -- and when battles become primary, -- what other reason for secrecy? . . . It becomes more clear.

Genuine spiritual teachers do not over-emphasize importance of themselves -- nor are there specific stages that one reaches on the path.

Indeed, "attainment" is never the goal given by spiritual teachers, but instead practice, -- and especially, doing good for others.

Doing good for oneself at the cost of others -- this is the opposite view.

Various groups -- the founder of Christian Science, died thinking many thousands of people were trying to do them harm telepathically.

This is fairly exactly along the lines of the New Age ones mentioned. Bodhisattva talk especially with no connection outside.

Power being the main thing, etc.


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"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
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Re: What is Realization? [Re: life is good] * 2
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Life is good, like you how you're getting a "death pull" from this site. Shes getting a different pull. You're on a different path than her, obviously. Whether, you're right or you're wrong. Its her path. She vibing with it for a reason and its helped her. If you dont vibe with it, let it be.

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Re: What is Realization? [Re: The89thchamber]
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Life_is_good, I really relate to so much of what you are saying. Before I found my way to Drukama, I wandered around lots of different traditions, investigating, doing practices here and there, and I too had huge issues with New Age teachings after my experiences with them. I can say for certain that is not what Drukama is. New Age teachings seem to cherry-pick bits of various traditions, make huge abstractions from traditional teachings, and then bundle them all into this conglomeration of stuff which doesn't really do anyone any good at all. I was actually really damaged by New Age teachings at the beginning of my path. It's like the blind leading the blind. On the other hand, Drukama is not about cherry-picking, it's about showing that all traditions have the same essence at the heart of them, and that in actual fact many of the teachings and practices are the same (especially in those traditions with meditative practices). It is not trying to create anything new, for there is nothing new under the sun. It is about providing clarity and shining a light on ancient authentic teachings.

In this day and age, it seems many of the teachings and practices in mainstream traditions are mainly surface teachings. You can learn a lot about mindfulness, devotion etc, but a lot of the inner teachings have become lost, distorted or deliberately hidden during the Kali Yuga. A good example of this is tantra. Most people associate the word tantra with physical sex, and even many schools who teach supposedly tantric practices seem to be under the impression that you have to physically have sex with someone to reach higher states of consciousness. But, looking more deeply into genuine tantric practices, they were actually about the union of inner energies causing higher states, and don't require the physical union of two people at all.

I can definitely tell you a little about the three stages we have in our school.

1. Foundation - Here, practitioners learn how to build a strong foundation in both their seated meditation and waking states. We learn how to use the three keys of Will (strength of single-pointed focus and strength of awareness), Intention (awaking the loving compassion of the heart, and also being able to hold a intention for a specific purpose during mediation), and Vitality (building vital energy to strengthen both Will and Intention.) The practitioner learns how to rise above the delusions of the mind, loosening the influence of inner and outer events, to sustain and mediative state in both seated and waking states.

2. Adept - Once the strong foundation has been built, the practitioner beings to work with inner energies such as Kundalini, and tantric practices such as Tummo. They learn how to use the winds and channels of the body, and how to use inner energies for the sake of quickly removing habit energies (karma) and breaking the three main restrictions which prevent them from being in the Realized state. They learn how to have conscious clarity and awareness during their dreaming state. They learn how to begin to unite Will and Intention to enter into Stream, and develop their ability to have loving, selfless intention towards all sentient beings.

3. Master Adept - I can't tell you about these practices as I'm not there yet, but this is the stage where someone who has entered into Stream works on crystallising it to reveal full, permanent Realization.

As for my teacher, I'm hesitant to say too much about him, as I know that he doesn't want the emphasis to be on him, but on the teachings instead. He has even said in the past that he is hoping to fade away into the background, and I think that he will at some point once he knows that he has left a strong lineage and we are able to carry forward the teachings. The thing is, I could say to you "he is my Guru" or "he is a fully-realised Buddha." But what good would that do? You're not going to take my word for it, and you shouldn't. These things have to be experienced and known over time. But I will say this about him...I came here six months ago to be on spiritual retreat, and to be near my teacher and group. I had some savings, but things here are expensive and I soon started to run out of money. For the last three months, he has paid my rent to my private landlord. He has literally given me clothes from his back. He and his family have had to dramatically cut their own personal costs in order that he can support people here who want to spend some time focussing on the teachings. In the past, he has even taken practitioner into his own home, and had them live with him, his wife, and his kids in their hour of need. So the question is, why would he do that? He is not getting anything out of it. We are not giving anything to him. He is giving to us, and supporting us purely because he wants us to help us be free from suffering, to rise above the delusions of the mind, to achieve Realization that ultimately we can help to put an end to suffering in all sentient beings.

His name is Daishi Nagiyah. It's no secret, as you will find if you go on the forums. It's just that Drukama is not about worshipping teachers. It's about creating teachers :sun:


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.
~ Rumi


The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir

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Re: What is Realization? [Re: PocketLady]
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Mine was the post immediately after yours. :smile: Same as before.


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I didn't draw this.

"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
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Re: What is Realization? [Re: The89thchamber]
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The89thchamber said:
Life is good, like you how you're getting a "death pull" from this site. Shes getting a different pull. You're on a different path than her, obviously. Whether, you're right or you're wrong. Its her path. She vibing with it for a reason and its helped her. If you dont vibe with it, let it be.


Pocket Lady is my friend and we are talking about something important. Do not jump in with insane statements like "you are feeling a death pull from this site."

What I feel is my feeling. Back off and do what you wish. I am not botheirng you with your insane, 'You are from darkness' threads. 

This is a discussion, not a fight.


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I didn't draw this.

"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
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Re: What is Realization? [Re: life is good]
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"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
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Re: What is Realization? [Re: life is good]
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PocketLady said:
This is a beautiful Bible passage. So many layers of meaning. Thanks for sharing :heart:


You are very welcome :heart:

(though it's a different thread.)


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Re: What is Realization? [Re: life is good]
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PocketLady said:
‘One evening Milarepa returned to his cave after gathering firewood, only to find it filled with demons. They were cooking his food, reading his books, sleeping in his bed. They had taken over the joint. He knew about nonduality of self and other, but he still didn’t quite know how to get these guys out of his cave. Even though he had the sense that they were just a projection of his own mind—all the unwanted parts of himself—he didn’t know how to get rid of them.

So first he taught them the dharma. He sat on this seat that was higher than they were and said things to them about how we are all one. He talked about compassion and shunyata and how poison is medicine. Nothing happened. The demons were still there. Then he lost his patience and got angry and ran at them. They just laughed at him. Finally, he gave up and just sat down on the floor, saying, “I’m not going away and it looks like you’re not either, so let’s just live here together.” At that point, all of them left except one. Milarepa said, “Oh, this one is particularly vicious.” (We all know that one. Sometimes we have lots of them like that. Sometimes we feel that’s all we’ve got.) He didn’t know what to do, so he surrendered himself even further. He walked over and put himself right into the mouth of the demon and said, “Just eat me up if you want to.” Then that demon left too.’

Pema Chodron


I studied that person at 18... I also reached those levels. I don't think that's quite correct actually, the story.


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"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
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Re: What is Realization? [Re: life is good]
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PocketLady said:
Could you elaborate a little? Would like to understand where you’re coming from.


Yes absolutely.
Simply -- we don't know for certain Dogen existed. The writings are there. Studying them is kind of cool. There's infintely higher; but they are very nice.


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Re: What is Realization? [Re: life is good]
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life is good said:
PocketLady said:
‘One evening Milarepa returned to his cave after gathering firewood, only to find it filled with demons. They were cooking his food, reading his books, sleeping in his bed. They had taken over the joint. He knew about nonduality of self and other, but he still didn’t quite know how to get these guys out of his cave. Even though he had the sense that they were just a projection of his own mind—all the unwanted parts of himself—he didn’t know how to get rid of them.

So first he taught them the dharma. He sat on this seat that was higher than they were and said things to them about how we are all one. He talked about compassion and shunyata and how poison is medicine. Nothing happened. The demons were still there. Then he lost his patience and got angry and ran at them. They just laughed at him. Finally, he gave up and just sat down on the floor, saying, “I’m not going away and it looks like you’re not either, so let’s just live here together.” At that point, all of them left except one. Milarepa said, “Oh, this one is particularly vicious.” (We all know that one. Sometimes we have lots of them like that. Sometimes we feel that’s all we’ve got.) He didn’t know what to do, so he surrendered himself even further. He walked over and put himself right into the mouth of the demon and said, “Just eat me up if you want to.” Then that demon left too.’

Pema Chodron


I studied that person at 18... I also reached those levels. I don't think that's quite correct actually, the story.


Interesting. What do you think would be better?

I guess, as with a lot of spiritual teachings, that stories like this do the job they are needed to do when the person first hears them. Maybe at some point, we go beyond them to discover a deeper truth which makes the one before obsolete, even though it was an important stepping stone at the time. Like when we are in high school we might learn that an atom looks like a planet with the electrons in orbit around the nucleus. But if you continue to study science they later tell you that's not true, it doesn't really look like that and is a lot more complicated. But it served the purpose to help you understand the concept of an atom at the time.


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.
~ Rumi


The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir

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Re: What is Realization? [Re: PocketLady]
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...to be free from conflict is very important
maybe it help to say our names.
i'm Jai


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Re: What is Realization? [Re: life is good]
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if you don't know where the thing came from,
it's conflict.
it's shadowy, secrecy, that's a conflict.
as - no reason for concealment except conflict.
so tremendous secrecy, tremendous conflict.


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Re: What is Realization? [Re: life is good]
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there's no logic in the statements;
Christ kept no secret from us.


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Re: What is Realization? [Re: life is good]
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life is good said:
The89thchamber said:
Life is good, like you how you're getting a "death pull" from this site. Shes getting a different pull. You're on a different path than her, obviously. Whether, you're right or you're wrong. Its her path. She vibing with it for a reason and its helped her. If you dont vibe with it, let it be.


Pocket Lady is my friend and we are talking about something important. Do not jump in with insane statements like "you are feeling a death pull from this site."

What I feel is my feeling. Back off and do what you wish. I am not botheirng you with your insane, 'You are from darkness' threads. 

This is a discussion, not a fight.


Insane?? You said it? I know its your feeling wasn't saying it wasn't. As well, I wasn't looking at this as a fight either???

And saying my thread is insane without rebuttaling it does nothing.

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Re: What is Realization? [Re: The89thchamber]
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ok let's talk about that there then.
ohh hey actually i misunderstood you.
truthfully.  my bad..
what i thought you were saying was much worse.




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