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Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal
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Well well well :rolleyes:

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Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has called on US President Donald Trump to uphold the 2015 nuclear deal between Iran and six world powers, or "face severe consequences".

In a televised speech, Rouhani said the "Iranian government will react firmly" if the White House fails to "live up to their commitments" under the agreement.

The warning comes weeks in advance of a May 12 deadline for Trump to renew the deal.

The US president has previously said he would scrap the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), which he has called the "worst deal in history", unless "a better option" is presented to him.

International leaders have called on Trump to uphold the agreement. On Sunday, French President Emmanuel Macron said there was no "Plan B" if Trump decided to pull out.

"Is this agreement perfect and this JCPOA a perfect thing for our relationship with Iran? No. But for nuclear - what do you have? As a better option? I don't see it," Macron said.

In an interview with US broadcaster CBS aired on Sunday, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said that Iran could consider "resuming at much greater speed" their nuclear activities if the US were to pull out.

The landmark deal reached in Lausanne, Switzerland in April 2015 with China, Russia, France, Great Britain, Germany and the US offered Iran more than $110bn a year in sanctions relief and a return to the global economy in exchange for halting its drive for a nuclear weapon.

Iran said in the past that it will stay in the deal in case of US withdrawal.


Big bad Iran is putting it's big boy pants on.

Give me free money or else!

Why is Russia supporting any of these idiotic rogue states anyway?


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Edited by Patlal (04/24/18 11:20 AM)

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Patlal] * 3
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When did Iran get free money?

Why don't you conservatives ever understand the topics you post about?


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (04/24/18 11:25 AM)

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Patlal]
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you say big bad iran in a disparaging way, but remember, that's the big bad iran that captured american sailors and made them cry & piss their pants just a couple years ago.

it's the big bad iran that israel says is their biggest existential threat.

it's the big bad iran that can have a workable nuke verrry quickly should they resume their previous projects.

don't scoff too hard.

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: koods]
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koods said:
When did Iran get free money?

Why don't you conservatives ever understand the topics you post about?


Sanction relief, free money. Same difference.


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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Patlal] * 2
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The landmark deal reached in Lausanne, Switzerland in April 2015 with China, Russia, France, Great Britain, Germany and the US offered Iran more than $110bn a year in sanctions relief and a return to the global economy in exchange for halting its drive for a nuclear weapon.


You realize we are not actually giving them any money, right? We are giving them sanctions relief which allows them to make money. I do not know what those specific sanctions are, but it's equivalent to saying, "okay, if you are going to produce nuclear weapons we will not accept your imports into our country. If you would have purchased 40$ billion worth of goods from Iran you now won't, thus Iran lost $40 billion dollars. If they play ball and stop producing nuclear weapons, as they have, you reward them by dropping those sanctions. It's a win win generally.

edit: Just saw your reply. How do you feel it is remotely equivalent to giving away money? Giving away money I lost money, I gain nothing. Allowing you the freedom to offer to sell me things while I can then make the decision whether to purchase it or not is in no way equivalent, if I choose to buy from you I haven't lost anything, I've traded some money for an item or service that I must feel has equal or lesser value or I would not have done it to begin with.

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: krypto2000]
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Ok. Guys. I gotta make a little point here using a small anology.

There are two ways you can walk across a room and get to the door

There's the way I used right now: Walk across the room get to the other side and realize it's all about money

Then there's your way of doing it, which is to kneel down with a magnifying glass and observe every single piece of threads in the carpet like a crackhead that dropped his last rock. You will also reach the same conclusion as me eventually, which is money, but you will have wasted a lot of time tripping over pointless details.

So yeah, in case you're still on the ground, let me give you a hand. The answer is money. There. Now you can get up, save a bunch of time and move on quickly and easily.

It a matter of sifting through pointless details... Efficiency if you will.


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Edited by Patlal (04/24/18 12:10 PM)

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Patlal]
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This deal is also fucking stupid. In order to get them to not break international they some sanction relief...

Start by denuclearizing the area. Let us inspect. Then we'll decide if you deserve sanction relief.

Right now they expect to be rewarded before doing abiding to the law


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Edited by Patlal (04/24/18 12:16 PM)

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Patlal]
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It's not that simple though. It's more like if you child keeps skipping school so after school you ground him to his room. It doesn't benefit you that he's in his room, if anything it's somewhat bothersome, but you can't just let him misbehave without consequences. If he starts going to school you don't just keep him grounded because it's more profitable.

Likewise the sanctions were imposed on Iran because they were making nuclear weapons, they 'misbehaved.' Us not being able to trade with them isn't a big deal since they're not a major trade partner, but it sure does not benefit us either. Things are not so black and white as you make it. By that logic all friendships are just down to money.

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
koods said:
When did Iran get free money?

Why don't you conservatives ever understand the topics you post about?


Sanction relief, free money. Same difference.


Allowing someone to access their own money is free money? You're ridiculous.

The atrophy of intelligent dialogue on the right is stunning.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (04/24/18 12:21 PM)

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: krypto2000]
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When it comes to countries we aren't allied with, it's purely transactional. We aren't at all friends with them.

If they can do fair transactions, then we can move on to observing they're way of life, culture, etc, then maybe they might become friends. Only from there can thing stop being black and white.

IMO of course...


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Edited by Patlal (04/24/18 12:30 PM)

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Patlal] * 1
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Patlal said:
Start by denuclearizing the area. Let us inspect. Then we'll decide if you deserve sanction relief.


You realize this is exactly what the deal allows? They are denuclearized and we are allowed to inspect whenever we want. That is exactly what the deal is man. What do you think the deal entails? We hand them money for a promise not to make bombs? And what do you think sanctions are, why do you think the sanctions were imposed in the first place?

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Patlal said:
koods said:
When did Iran get free money?

Why don't you conservatives ever understand the topics you post about?


Sanction relief, free money. Same difference.


Allowing someone to access their own money is free money? You're ridiculous.


Holding their allowance if e know they will spend it badly is the right thing to do. If you want to be part of this world and be allowed to thrive, you have to start making wise decision and invest in your people instead of nukes. Unless of course you are rich enough to do both. Iran used to be cool until the current regime came in. Now its back to shit. So until they start being nice, they gett no candy


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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
Patlal said:
Start by denuclearizing the area. Let us inspect. Then we'll decide if you deserve sanction relief.


You realize this is exactly what the deal allows?


Do we have proof right now that Iran is nuclear free? No.

Now they expect sanction relief before that deal is reached. That a big nope.


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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Patlal]
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Except they are abiding by the rules. It's the idiot in the White House that is moving the goal posts


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Except they are abiding by the rules. It's the idiot in the White House that is moving the goal posts


I'm fairly certain we are not 100% sure their completely nuke development free. I'm not willing to give an easy break to a country that illegally started building nukes. We should not forgive so easily. We should only settle on above and beyond.

IMO of course.


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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Patlal]
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koods and krypto are right.  You don't seem to know what you're talking about in this thread.

We're simply allowing Iran to do business with other countries (selling oil mostly) in exchange for them not developing nukes.  We should allow it anyway, but having them not develop nukes is a bonus for us.  :shrug:


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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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The way I see it. I you attempt to build nuke, you should immediately be slap with every sanction imaginable.


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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Patlal] * 1
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It's funny how the countries that already have nukes make these rules


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Patlal]
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Maybe Canada should start by sanctioning the United States?


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Maybe Canada should start by sanctioning the United States?


Nah, you guys are cool.


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