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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
I think he calls himself an "anarcho-homicidalist"



Is that true? Must have happened since he wrote that essay. I actually stumbled upon this a little while ago:

The Four Tenets of Anarcho-Homicidalism
  • Violence is the basis of self-defence.

  • You’re allowed to kill anyone trying to enslave you.

  • Everyone must decide for themselves who they kill.

  • Everyone is 100% responsible for the consequences of their decision to kill.


An Anarcho-Homicidalist Primer

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Homicidalism is a new branch of anarchist thought. The essential belief is this: authoritarianism will always arise unless dominance hierarchies are actively resisted by killing the people at the top of them. The impetus behind this line of reasoning comes from a passage from the great author Aleksnder Solzhenitsyn.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

In essence, homicidalism recognises that individuals have the ability to kill each other by exercising their free will, and that homicide (and fear of homicide) is the basic social tool keeping authoritarianism in check.





I got a chuckle out of it. None of these concepts are new to anarchist thought; the only difference is what appears to be an edgy escalation to homicide in all instances of authoritarianism. I don't even think so-called adherents take it seriously, seeing as how they appear to be neither dead or in prison for homicide committed against the authoritarian state.


@viktor,do you actually consider yourself an anarcho-homicidalist?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
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viktor said:
I'm not a terrorist sympathiser, I'm an anarcho-homicidalist. There are significant philosophical differences.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23918673#23918673

Whatever helps his delusion that he is left wing :shrug:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Oh boy. Viktor, did your ever explain those philosophical differences? I'm interested in hearing why you adhere to anarcho-homicidalism; what benefit does it provide in your life that regular old anarchism doesn't?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
ballsalsa said:
I think he calls himself an "anarcho-homicidalist"



Is that true? Must have happened since he wrote that essay. I actually stumbled upon this a little while ago:

The Four Tenets of Anarcho-Homicidalism
  • Violence is the basis of self-defence.

  • You’re allowed to kill anyone trying to enslave you.

  • Everyone must decide for themselves who they kill.

  • Everyone is 100% responsible for the consequences of their decision to kill.


An Anarcho-Homicidalist Primer




that's viktor's website.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: xzylocybin]
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xzylocybin said:
You aren't familiar with tmnt? Goddamn commie



turtle power, bro.

seeing as how I haven't watched tmnt since 1992 or some such, you'll have to cut me some slack.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: ballsalsa]
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I've just learnt within the last few hours that some one extremely dear to me has been raped by a filthy Kurdish Muslim immigrant who is known to her.

I've just got back from going to see her. Shes a mess. In tears and covered in bruises. Her close female friends have encouraged her to report it to the police, which it looks like she will.

But in mine and other male friends opinions, it's not enough. Only death for this mother fucker will suffice.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
I've just learnt within the last few hours that some one extremely dear to me has been raped by a filthy Kurdish Muslim immigrant who is known to her.

I've just got back from going to see her. Shes a mess. In tears and covered in bruises. Her close female friends have encouraged her to report it to the police, which it looks like she will.

But in mine and other male friends opinions, it's not enough. Only death for this mother fucker will suffice.



I'm sorry to hear about your friend, what was the legal status of this immigrant?  Legal or illegal?

I wish we could say that this is a surprise, but this is what happens when you allow people from a different culture that don't embrace Western values into your nation.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 2
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rape is fucked up and people who commit rape deserve the harshest legal punishments regardless of their immigration status.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 3
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ballsalsa said:
that's viktor's website.



"This is an excerpt from Viktor Hellman’s upcoming Anarcho-Homicidalist’s Manifesto."

:facepalm: I should have noticed.




Bubbles85 said:
raped by a filthy Kurdish Muslim immigrant who is known to her.



I'm sorry to hear that. Sexual violence is something I have zero tolerance for. If you seriously desire to combat sexual violence, you should know approximately 90% of those who are raped in the UK know the perpetrator prior to the offence. The common denominator isn't "filthy" immigrants, but people leveraging trust and power - and this transcends ethnicity. Yes, middle eastern cultures have serious issues with consent and sexual violence but don't forget western culture has a serious problem with sexual violence as well. Don't let your initial hate and bias take your focus away from the root of the problem.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Bubbles85 said:
I've just learnt within the last few hours that some one extremely dear to me has been raped by a filthy Kurdish Muslim immigrant who is known to her.

I've just got back from going to see her. Shes a mess. In tears and covered in bruises. Her close female friends have encouraged her to report it to the police, which it looks like she will.

But in mine and other male friends opinions, it's not enough. Only death for this mother fucker will suffice.



I'm sorry to hear about your friend, what was the legal status of this immigrant?  Legal or illegal?

I wish we could say that this is a surprise, but this is what happens when you allow people from a different culture that don't embrace Western values into your nation.



From what I can tell, he's here legally. He wasn't born in Britain, but rather came here with his parents as a child in the late 1990's.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Bubbles85 said:
raped by a filthy Kurdish Muslim immigrant who is known to her.



I'm sorry to hear that. Sexual violence is something I have zero tolerance for. If you seriously desire to combat sexual violence, you should know approximately 90% of those who are raped in the UK know the perpetrator prior to the offence. The common denominator isn't "filthy" immigrants, but people leveraging trust and power - and this transcends ethnicity. Yes, middle eastern cultures have serious issues with consent and sexual violence but don't forget western culture has a serious problem with sexual violence as well. Don't let your initial hate and bias take your focus away from the root of the problem.



Yes I'm aware. She's known him for just a few weeks however. I wasn't referring to all immigrants as filthy. Just him.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: circastes]
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circastes said:
nations founded on immigration, like Australia, U.S. & Canada. :justdontknow:




How do you figure immigrants founded America?

John Adams was born in Massachusetts.

Thomas Jefferson was born in Virginia.

etc..


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: XUL] * 2
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XUL said:
circastes said:
nations founded on immigration, like Australia, U.S. & Canada. :justdontknow:




How do you figure immigrants founded America?

John Adams was born in Massachusetts.

Thomas Jefferson was born in Virginia.

etc..



You're kidding, right?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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Bubbles85 said:
shivas.wisdom said:
Bubbles85 said:
raped by a filthy Kurdish Muslim immigrant who is known to her.



I'm sorry to hear that. Sexual violence is something I have zero tolerance for. If you seriously desire to combat sexual violence, you should know approximately 90% of those who are raped in the UK know the perpetrator prior to the offence. The common denominator isn't "filthy" immigrants, but people leveraging trust and power - and this transcends ethnicity. Yes, middle eastern cultures have serious issues with consent and sexual violence but don't forget western culture has a serious problem with sexual violence as well. Don't let your initial hate and bias take your focus away from the root of the problem.



Yes I'm aware. She's known him for just a few weeks however. I wasn't referring to all immigrants as filthy. Just him.



Shame to hear that. It's a rotten state of affairs when we can't even keep our own women safe because of the need to appear inclusive.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 3
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You think those women belong to you, thats adorable.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
XUL said:
circastes said:
nations founded on immigration, like Australia, U.S. & Canada. :justdontknow:




How do you figure immigrants founded America?

John Adams was born in Massachusetts.

Thomas Jefferson was born in Virginia.

etc..



You're kidding, right?



Don't waste you fingers on such a rhetorical question.

As for me, consider my text as true convictions.

Answer the question.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: XUL] * 2
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nah im good. Something tells me basic historical facts dont sway those true convictions.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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If Islam Was A White Religion


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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I only watched the first minute, but I can tell you a big problem with it.

Liberals don't deny there are some nasty Muslims out there.  We deny that most American (or British, or EU) Muslims are nasty, and that's what you appear to struggle to understand.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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Bubbles85 said:
If Islam Was A White Religion




I don't have a problem with criticism of Islam, nor with the rejection of Islamofascism. I reject demonising all Muslims (the vast majority of whom agree with my previous sentence) and rejecting their presence in the West. Its about nuance and not feeding narratives that ultimately affect people's lives unjustly. Statements like "islam is incompatible with the west" is absolute bullshit and only fuels hatred against innocent people. Does that affect the minority of assholes? Not really, it makes their point.

Understand that race and religion cross over so xenophobia/racism can certainly take the form of islamophobia. I know a bunch of Muslims and some are told that they don't "look Muslim", what do you think that means? Sure there are white Muslims but by and large, they are brown and black. I think this argument that "there are white Muslims so its not racist to hate on muslims" is disingenuous.

This video is laughable. "this is just another way of blaming white people of the crime of islam"
:trekfacepalm:

You still dont get it.

Answer me this:
What examples of people being charged with hate crimes are considered unfair by this guy? He doesn't give any examples. Do you have any?


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