Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

tHEfLY said:

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The role immigration plays in lowering people's standard of living is negligible compared to the role of crony capitalism.  That's where you would focus your efforts if you weren't such a bigot.

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They're basically the same thing though since mass immigration is the only way to maintain the illusion of wealth in a debt based economy.

Anyone interested in a fairer system should oppose mass immigration because it's the very means by which the current system supports itself.

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Do you have any idea what you just said?  If so, can you please explain to the rest of us?

By the way, no one is supporting 'mass' immigration.

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Brian Jones said:

viktor said:

If you're a leftist, then you're for the people at the bottom.

If you support mass immigration, then, you must believe that mass immigration will help the people at the bottom.

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      Where do you get off thinking you get to define terms of your opposition, Mr Antisemite, who prefers to cloak it in terms of Abrahmism. What do you think differentiates liberal and leftist, admitting it's not clear here, because conservatives have no idea about the difference.  In terms of orthodox leftism the poor are the lummpen proletariat and considered worthless for social change, But now we have electoral politics and not revolutionary politics, but in any case, learn the difference between leftist and liberal, and if you ever plan on posting in a nonanonymous website get rid of the antisemitism or you will be professionably unemployable for life.

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Bro.

I hate cock-chopping, gay-bashing, and woman-hating. The three pillars of Abrahamic culture.

Jews comprise less than 0.5% of the worldwide population of 3,500,000,000 Abrahamists. So, probably less than 1% of cock-choppers, far less than 1% of the gay-bashers, and no more than 0.5% of woman-haters.

Don't huff butane and post, it makes you post dumb shit.

viktor said:

Brian Jones said:

viktor said:

If you're a leftist, then you're for the people at the bottom.

If you support mass immigration, then, you must believe that mass immigration will help the people at the bottom.

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      Where do you get off thinking you get to define terms of your opposition, Mr Antisemite, who prefers to cloak it in terms of Abrahmism. What do you think differentiates liberal and leftist, admitting it's not clear here, because conservatives have no idea about the difference.  In terms of orthodox leftism the poor are the lummpen proletariat and considered worthless for social change, But now we have electoral politics and not revolutionary politics, but in any case, learn the difference between leftist and liberal, and if you ever plan on posting in a nonanonymous website get rid of the antisemitism or you will be professionably unemployable for life.

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Bro.

I hate cock-chopping, gay-bashing, and woman-hating. The three pillars of Abrahamic culture.

Jews comprise less than 0.5% of the worldwide population of 3,500,000,000 Abrahamists. So, probably less than 1% of cock-choppers, far less than 1% of the gay-bashers, and no more than 0.5% of woman-haters.

Don't huff butane and post, it makes you post dumb shit.

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Bubbles85 said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

I was referring to disturbing statistics about non-Muslim Americans that you conveniently ignored.

The fact is, your article showed that Americans are far more in favor of non-defensive war than Muslims, who would prefer peace.  Do you not find that disturbing?

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What statistics? You didn't post any statistics.

Please show me where the statistics are, that I "conveniently" ignored? because I'm not seeing them. All I'm seeing are hunches and guesses and broad generalizations.

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You're right, sorry bubbles.  I was drinking a fair amount of rum last night and shouldn't have responded then. 

The argument I was trying to make is that you seemed upset that some Muslims think suicide bombing can be justified, and I was wondering whether you'd also be upset if Americans felt that bombing of Foreign Countries for non defensive purposes can also be justified?

I should have referenced page 5 of the report:



which shows the general public is ok with bombing Iraq for non defensive purposes.  Don't you find that disturbing?  Or did you support it as well? 

Bubbles85 said:

Ironically, you are the one ignoring the statistics, in favour of your "head in the sand mentality" because the statistics on Muslims in Europe go against your Liberal view point.

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I wasn't ignoring them; I was trying to say that you can find disturbing opinions from any group.

Bubbles85 said:

I love the way you "conveniently" deleted my comment about the above statements in my previous post regarding Muslims in the UK, being able to be backed up with data from trusted organizations WTF is that all about?

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Sorry, which comment?  Do you mean this one:

"We have nearly 5 million Muslims now living here, meaning that if 35% of them under 29 say suicide bombings against non Muslims can always be justified, we have nearly 1.5 million terrorists in the UK alone."

If you think someone who believes a suicide bombing can be justified is a terrorist, then I get why you're so god damned scared, but that doesn't make people terrorists.  I'll bet there are a lot of people who think taking out the President (for example) can be justified.  Does that make them terrorists?  Only if they're willing to act on it, which very almost none are.

Bubbles85 said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

no one is supporting 'mass' immigration.

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The Liberals around here may not say they "support" mass immigration, but they also never actually say they oppose it either. At least not that I've seen any way.

Its very simply, you can have a state that sufficiently supplements and supports its citizens, or you can have mass uncontrolled movement of labor, with open boarders. You cant have both.

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NO ONE is arguing for open borders.  Liberals are arguing against CLOSED borders, which people like viktor have been advocating.

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

tHEfLY said:

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The role immigration plays in lowering people's standard of living is negligible compared to the role of crony capitalism.  That's where you would focus your efforts if you weren't such a bigot.

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They're basically the same thing though since mass immigration is the only way to maintain the illusion of wealth in a debt based economy.

Anyone interested in a fairer system should oppose mass immigration because it's the very means by which the current system supports itself.

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Do you have any idea what you just said?  If so, can you please explain to the rest of us?

By the way, no one is supporting 'mass' immigration.

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tHEfLY said:

GDP growth is fueled by private debt

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tHEfLY said:

People in debt stop taking out loans

But loans are how banks make money so the pool of potential borrowers needs to be increased

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tHEfLY said:

Consider third-world immigrants as latecomers to a giant ponzi-scheme and it starts to make sense

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-19/high-immigration-masks-australian-economic-decline/8193628

And lots of people do support it. Maybe not you personally, but mass immigration seems to be the one policy that is non-negotioable for all mainstream parties, left and right, across the developed world. Even Japan is looking to go down this road.

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Banks are international.  If they want to loan money to more people, they can just do it abroad.

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I don't know what "Ponzi Scheme" you're referring to.  The link you provided simply states that GDP per capita is a better indicator of economic growth than GDP.  I've been saying that for a long time now.  I don't see the 'Ponzi scheme'.

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tHEfLY said:

I used the term ponzi-scheme because debt can only be paid with money that is borrowed into existence by others, which means an ever-increasing supply of people is needed to keep the system going.

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tHEfLY said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Debt can be paid back from the existing money supply.

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How?

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tHEfLY said:

Collectively there is not enough money in circulation to pay off all loans with interest. More money and more debt is always necessary.

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the money supply is increased by enough each year to cover interest

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