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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
I'm just saying that liberals should probably stop being violent to try and get their point across. People have shown a lot of restraint already. You don't want to piss the wrong people off.
Because if it's just going to be about violence, the liberals are going to lose, badly. Let's not let it get to that.


yeah, i can agree to that. the "liberals" so-called, that are rioting, protesting on the streets (they shouldn't need a permit, that's bullcrap, but they shouldn't be blocking roads), they are...under duress...and they are going about fixing their duress, and admonishing people to listen to them, the wrong way.

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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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Agreed.. I don't really care what their reasoning is.. protest if you like.. but this mob mentality shit of being violent against random innocent people just for wearing a trump hat or whatever.. and calling everyone a fucking nazi, and blocking roads and setting fire to shit has got to fucking stop. It's senseless and it doesn't accomplish anything but make everyone hate you even more.


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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: Shroomism] * 1
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Anyway.. way too far off topic. LEGALIZE ALL THE DRUGS


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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: Burke Dennings]
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Burke Dennings said:
Hey, I'm sorry for making assumptions then.  Guess I was wrong.


All good. :hug:
Koods can go suck it though  :thebird:  :rockon: :pirate: :tongue2:

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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: Shroomism] * 3
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I'm going to weigh in on this whole neo-nazis friends thing, as I'm the one who first levied the accusation at you.

To begin, here is the statement from Clockwork regarding the fight: http://evgrieve.com/2017/02/clockwork-bar-denounces-weekend-attack.html
It appears to corroborate the description found in various news articles rather than the one supplied by your friends.

Now, we both agree that your friends, based in DC, made the trip up to Clockwork in NYC that night. Why make the journey though? What was happening at Clockwork that night? Well, it just so happens that Matt Restuccia, lead singer of the patriotic oi band Lonewolf and a 211 member, was DJing an after-party at Clockwork that night.

(The facebook page has been taken down but the owner of Clockwork Bar, Frank Scutto, is on record as saying "We’ve already banned Matt from coming here and his friends, and obviously with our statement, anyone else that’s a hate group or a neo-Nazi," he said, adding, "It's my fault that I didn’t know that he was aligned with these guys. All staff know he’s not welcome here, nor are his friends.")

Who are the 211 Bootboys? To quote one of their founders: "211 crew started in 1999 just a group of Skins who didn't give a fuck and hated commie scum like RASH [Red and Anarchist Skinheads]." In other words, another reboot of the RAC skinhead music scene.

The 211 Crew/211 Bootboys are a New York City and D.C.-area skinhead group. Rather than explicitly espousing Nazi or white supremacist ideology, bands that perform as part of the crew's oi punk scene emphasize ultra-nationalism and Islamophobia in their rhetoric and the lyrics, meaning white skinheads slam-dance alongside minorities who support some form of nationalism while also sometimes associating with outright neo-Nazis. This does not make them any less of a violent threat. Here is an article from the Southern Poverty Law Center that goes into greater detail of the many tentacled monster that is fascism.


I'm not calling you a nazi because of this, shroomism, but these people live on the opposite side of the country from you. You say you've known them for 20 years, when was the last time you spent quality time together? I understand that not all skinheads are neo-naizis, but even if your friends aren't explicitly part of the 211 Bootboys, they appear to be down with hanging out with the violent fascists to the extent that they happily join in with the beatdowns.

People change. Maybe your friends have big time, and so perhaps this is a time for you to decide where your ideals stand and call out your friends. As it stands now, hard to call yourself a free speech advocate when you are suggesting a trip to the hospital is the appropriate response to being called a nazi.




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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Nah I know these guys very well. They hate neo-nazis and that will never change, they are also some of the nicest people you will ever meet. Unless you fuck with them. To them, the Antifa were the fascists.
Also they are not associated with 211 crew. That article is disingenuous because it says "a group of men described as "neo Nazis" attacked twin brothers" ... who described them as neo Nazis? Oh right the Antifa guys who showed up calling them neo nazis.
It's all conjecture and blind labeling. Also they lie about how it went down.


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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Donald the Moron. A man so stupid he thinks everyone is as clueless as he is.

“I have to tell you, it’s an unbelievably complex subject. Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated."



I :facepalm:'d so hard when I saw that. Everyone that works in healthcare knows & has always known it's that complicated.


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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: Dark_Star]
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I hope he said it solely to relate to, and speak to, the rest of the ignorant masses that don't work in healthcare.
:shrug:


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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: The Blind Ass] * 4
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The world is stupid. that's it.
All the governments can see Portugal's experience with decriminalizing all drugs known to men, but I guess governments love their addicts getting jailed, being spent a bunch of money on and dying from needle transmitted diseases, instead of giving them the healthcare they deserve as 'sick' human-beings, offer them clean needles for free, and allowing everyone to take any substance to local places which test them, which makes the street grade of substances to be purer and less damaging.

All the other countries are in for DEATH and ALIENATION.
but that's just humans... we are the worst.


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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: psilosalvia]
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:chump:  :presidential:

:sonofawebitch:


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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Prisoner#1 said:
koods said:
He's had months to put togetheir plans. Obama had signed major legislation by this time in his first term. Obama had the ACA laid out during the 2008 campaign.




lol... and then what happened?


Then he pushed the legislation and signed it.



oh, then where the fuck is the universal healthcare that he promised because that's
what obama had in mind, not this horse shit that wasnt written by obama but was
carefully crafted by insurance and drug companies as well as a few select members
of congress such as harry reid. did obama actually know what he was signing, no one
else seemed to know



"dat dat dat dat's not in it, why? we couldnt get it through congress"

he couldnt get "his" legislation through his democrat controlled congress that
didnt require a single republican vote. how did his own party turn against his
universal healthcare plan so fast?




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It's still law and withstood all Legal challenges except when your governor sued to prevent you from getting any subsidy through Medicaid. Sucks for you. You should move to a civilized state. It's working pretty well here.



want to know what else is law? the right of the people to keep and bear arms, it's
withstood far more legal challenges and is a fundamental right of the citizens

obamacare can easily be defunded


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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: Dark_Star]
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Dark_Star said:
koods said:
Donald the Moron. A man so stupid he thinks everyone is as clueless as he is.

“I have to tell you, it’s an unbelievably complex subject. Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated."



I :facepalm:'d so hard when I saw that. Everyone that works in healthcare knows & has always known it's that complicated.



what exactly is complicated about it, get insurance or dont get insurance, go to the
doctor or dont go to the doctor, pay your bill or dont pay your bill like a worthless
liberal that believes the world owes you free healthcare


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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: Prisoner#1] * 3
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Are you calling the US Military liberal? 

They get totally free health care for life.  Pretty liberal?

Didn't have to do more than 2 years of poopy troop sweeping floors.


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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: Morel Guy]
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It would take a massive Army to shut down legal states.  Usually they just pick one or two and go after those.  Sends a message.

Takes lot's of information to prosecute people and win cases.  Usually they just go for the plea.

Not so sure the Trump administration understands complex issues enough to be more than pussy farts.


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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Dark_Star said:
koods said:
Donald the Moron. A man so stupid he thinks everyone is as clueless as he is.

“I have to tell you, it’s an unbelievably complex subject. Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated."



I :facepalm:'d so hard when I saw that. Everyone that works in healthcare knows & has always known it's that complicated.



what exactly is complicated about it, get insurance or dont get insurance, go to the
doctor or dont go to the doctor, pay your bill or dont pay your bill like a worthless
liberal that believes the world owes you free healthcare


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oh, then where the fuck is the universal healthcare that he promised because that's
what obama had in mind, not this horse shit that wasnt written by obama but was
carefully crafted by insurance and drug companies as well as a few select members
of congress such as harry reid. did obama actually know what he was signing, no one
else seemed to know


how many times do you have to be told. it's great. you're a propagandist. Thomas Paine would be proud, but i bet he wouldn't agree with you.

koods told you, already...your, apparently, retarded state, rejected some kind of medicare plan (or wahtever)...just ask koods to clarify it for you AGAIN.

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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
It would take a massive Army to shut down legal states.  Usually they just pick one or two and go after those.  Sends a message.

Takes lot's of information to prosecute people and win cases.  Usually they just go for the plea.

Not so sure the Trump administration understands complex issues enough to be more than pussy farts.


They definitely lack the resources to prosecute everyone involved in the legal cannabis industry. But like you said they could send a message. They could start by going after just a few of the big ones. Those plea deals might not ask for jail time, but they almost certainly will seize the property and assets of those involved. They could RICO people's houses, their cars. They could take away their children. If I owned a store and I saw them start doing this to people in my state I would get out while I was still ahead. Trump might be ignorant, although I tend to think he is a pretty savy politicians playing to an ignorant base, but sessions is not. He has worked for years as a prosecutor, and then as a Senator. He says that without private prisons they won't be able to meet their future incarceration needs. That tells me he plans to send a lot of people to federal prison.

They can go after settlements from the banks and insurance companies that do business with pot shops. There is billions of dollars at stake here. Does that money get to stay in the hand of entrepreneurs and state governments, or will it be added to the DEA's budget? They could even sue the states for regulating and taxing the industry. Of course a suit like that would go to the Supreme Court, and that could be the precident that finally puts the DEA in line with the constitutional limits of their authority.

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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
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The whole thing is like trying to stop a freight train with a gas truck.

BOOM!


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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: Morel Guy]
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I don't doubt drug culture needs some guidance and enlightenment. 

Seems to be a medical subject.  Some of the social things bother me.  People assume if you use cannabis your gonna get all feaky with tattoos and piercings.  I Have smoked a lot of cannabis and don't have one tat or a piercing.

I like pretty much every drug plant other than opium flowers and tobacco.  Those two or some potent as fuck painkillers.  Kratom too but kratom is by far better at mild pain treatment than opium.  Opium is some heavy firepower.

Making shit illegal has just let the bad dudes have more power.  Culture almost totally lost any control when it's made illegal.


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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: Shroomism] * 5
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Shroomism said:
Nah I know these guys very well. They hate neo-nazis and that will never change, they are also some of the nicest people you will ever meet. Unless you fuck with them. To them, the Antifa were the fascists.


Nice people don't send someone to the hospital over insults. You yourself have claimed the altercation started when antifa called your friends nazis; your friends took offense to that and decided a violent beat down was appropriate.

What happened to your defence of free speech and the right to offend? Do you not notice a double standard between your condemnation of Milo protests and your support of attacking antifascists over words, that kinda makes it look like you have fascist sympathies?



Shroomism said:
Also they are not associated with 211 crew. That article is disingenuous because it says "a group of men described as "neo Nazis" attacked twin brothers" ... who described them as neo Nazis? Oh right the Antifa guys who showed up calling them neo nazis.
It's all conjecture and blind labeling. Also they lie about how it went down.


All conjecture? The man who threw the party at Clockwork that night is Matt Retuccia, known to NYC antifa for several years now and a member of 211 crew. Pictured below, you see him front and center sporting the 'skullhead' tee (one of the most popular white power punk bands) hanging out with known neo-nazi skinheads (like Pat Fahey, third from the left, member of the Vinlanders Social Club).




So I don't think the neo-nazi presence at Clockwork that night is worth disputing, but the question still remains: were your friends aware of this gathering or just some punks at the wrong spot//wrong time?

You have said multiple times that your friends are old school antiracist and antifascist oi punks that don't tolerate hate, so what the fuck are they doing hanging out with 211 crew? If they're hanging out with neo-nazis and they're fighting antifascists, don't be surprised when people accuse them of being violent fascists.


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Re: Sean Spicer hints at crackdown on legal marijuana [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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They were just there to listen to some music.


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