iiilil said:

qman said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html

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The immigration crisis peaked in years coinciding with formal and economic disruption in that region. The peak numbers are from the countries as described not from what the MSM promotes through anecdotal analysis in the articles you are linking to. Certain countries are jump-off points and gateways, guess what happens when you destroy those countries? People flood through them. Now, what idiot then and for what purpose would do that knowing full and well what would occur? You seem to misplace the intentions of the disruptions. You in fact don't highlight them at all nor does the MSM.

qman said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3240010/Number-refugees-arriving-Europe-soars-85-year-just-one-five-war-torn-Syria.html

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Flowing through .. Flowing from. You bomb out a gateway and physics takes over.
They're either were too dumb to realize this (doubtful) or this was the expectation all along.

qman said:

"Only one in every five migrants claiming asylum in Europe is from Syria."

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They are flowing through or from Syria most of all and its because its the most bombed out region.

qman said:

Looks like you have been a victim of MSM propaganda.

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Seems like you're subscribing to a shallow story.

qman said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis

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Please read your own links ... Of the portion from Africa which is small compared to the flow from/through Syria :
In 2008, Berlusconi's government in Italy and Gaddafi's government in Libya signed a treaty including cooperation between the two countries in stopping irregular migration from Libya to Italy; this led to a policy of forcibly returning to Libya boat migrants intercepted by the Italian coast guard at sea.[46] The cooperation collapsed following the outbreak of the Libyan civil war in 2011, and in 2012 the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Italy had violated the European Convention on Human Rights by returning migrants to Libya, as it exposed the migrants to the risk of being subjected to ill-treatment in Libya and violated the prohibition of collective expulsions.[47] Since 2011, and particularly since 2014, instability and the Second Civil War in Libya have made departures from the north-African country to Italy easier, with no central authority controlling Libya's ports and dealing with European countries, and migrant smuggling networks flourishing.

So, remind me who bombed out and got the racket started in Libya ?
Who brought down the barrier to stopping the immigration from Libya?

qman said:

Yeah, importing a bunch of unskilled and uneducated migrants that can't speak the native language while leeching off of the insolvent social services is just great for EU economies.

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You obviously don't understand basic economic theory especially that subscribed to in the countries referenced that can print currency and export inflation if you believe that ... Not saying it's going to work out but its grounded in economic theories that their central banks and governments subscribe to. Why do you think mass migration is being allowed in the U.S concurrently even though we have the power to enforce our borders?

It is clear to me that you're out of your depth in discussing this and unlike me, that is quite possibly because you source your information and analysis from the MSM. The narrative put forth is completely devoid from what is conveyed in MSM. Interesting that you suggest otherwise and use the MSM's commentary and shallow analysis as back-up.

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"guess what happens when you destroy those countries? People flood through them"

  You're not even making sense here. Once the word got out that the EU was an open door, they started to come from everywhere for obvious reasons.  Migrants flooding into the EU have come from many different parts of Africa, the Middle East and Asia.  That has NOTHING to do with Syria, Iraq or Libya. Also, what countries did the US "destroy"?

"You bomb out a gateway and physics takes over"

This makes no sense.

"They are flowing through or from Syria most of all and its because its the most bombed out region"

Again, this makes NO sense. What does coming from Africa have to do with Syria?  NOTHING.

"don't understand basic economic theory"

Oh you mean having an open border in the US to depress US wages?  I understand why they keep it open, but I disagree with it. 

Bringing in third world leeches into a developed economy does NOT create economic prosperity for 99% of the population, does it help the top 1%?  YES.

iiilil said:

qman said:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/678083/Germany-migrant-crisis-80-per-cent-no-documents-passport-registration

No documentation and fake passports, stunning news.

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Flowing from/through where and why? Who greased the skids?
Use your brain and dig deeper if you want the real story.

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akira_akuma said:

thing is you try and make the people out to be monstrous, you two, and ignore what created what monster you're eyeing out for; when everyone can see through it for what it is, bullshit, you two's ignorant bullshit. it's obvious to see when you try and turn these people into what they aren't, and exaggerate them into monsters.

stick to the facts, especially @Starter.

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Not at all, people fleeing their homelands for a better standard of living is only natural. My problem is with the EU leaders who decided to go with an open border policy at the expense of their own citizens. BTW, the migrants do bring an excessive amount of crime and violence, that's a fact.

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This is also an economic issue, the EU can NOT afford to support third world people because their governments are already insolvent!  There is NO shortage of labor in the EU, they don't need anymore people.

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akira_akuma said:

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Not at all, people fleeing their homelands for a better standard of living is only natural. My problem is with the EU leaders who decided to go with an open border policy at the expense of their own citizens. BTW, the migrants do bring an excessive amount of crime and violence, that's a fact.

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yes. that comment, admittedly, is more suited to Starter. not you. you do, for the most part, stick to the facts. by 'for the most part', i mean, most of the time. sometimes you instinctively retort based on anecdotal evidence, but rarely.

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This is also an economic issue, the EU can NOT afford to support third world people because their governments are already insolvent!  There is NO shortage of labor in the EU, they don't need anymore people.

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true, we've already agreed upon most of this, before. though i've seen stats for Germany that state otherwise, that Germany has been...slow on the upkeep, in terms of economy and their police enforcement.

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I have proven numerous times that the German headline employment statistics are truly bunk and that the German working class is suffering, but even with that being said, if the German economy were to ever need more workers, wouldn't the rational approach be to bring in people from Poland, Czech, Austria, Hungary, and Slovakia instead of Africa?

qman said:

I have proven numerous times that the German headline employment statistics are truly bunk and that the German working class is suffering

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

I have proven numerous times that the German headline employment statistics are truly bunk and that the German working class is suffering

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Really?  I remember asking you for the unemployment rate in Germany.  You said that didn't count, U6 unemployment counts.  But you couldn't show that U6 in Germany was higher than normal, just like you can't show that U6 in the United States is higher than normal.

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akira_akuma said:

blame the government for people not wanting to work; yeah, there isn't anything hypocritical about that.

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  Who's blaming the government?  Who suggested people don't want to work?

Tipote said:

hey guys i'm baaaack. things don't seem to have changed here though lol.

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Tipote said:

hey guys i'm baaaack. things don't seem to have changed here though lol.

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Wb! Hope your trip went well!

And yeah, same shit diff say here