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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
the right has never done anything to curb the national debt. you're picking sides, and you're being simplistic.


Neither has the left, you hate the right, but the left is just as guilty, are you blind?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
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i am not on the left. i've told you already. i am a fiscal conservative, and a classical liberalist...or a right-libertarian, if you'd prefer. depends on how you want to define it.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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Right, and I'm a T-Rex, RAWR!


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
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you obviously are too narrowbrained to consider how the motivations and actions within the political sphere actually operate.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
you obviously are too narrowbrained to consider how the motivations and actions within the political sphere actually operate.


Actually, I'm one of the few here who actually support someone who isn't a corrupt career politician, so there's that


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
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i support Trump to. he is the only one worth vying for. but that doens't mean i don't think he's still an idiot, and only giving you his version of a Obama phone. lol his tax plan seems facile enough for a tax break, but no real change...though it's better than Hilary and her cronyism. though, i think Donald Trump basically has his entire inquiry into events done by his brain trust staff, and not without them, as he needs opinions (which i admit is rather smart of him - he isn't a total idiot), and i do think that through his facade of wanting a position of power (or he really does care about America; but i think his position will be shaped in that regard, anyway, so i can't really tell if it's real), his facade will grow so all consuming, that he'll rely on the American people to really inform his brain trust (though Trump) what to actually do; and they my plan that way. or they might plan to do as little as they are asked to do, and work it around so that they can benefit from it, like most all politicians do.

but is he better than Hilalry, yes, of course. is he better than Gary Johnson, perhaps at this interval he is...Johnson seems to be pandering.

Sanders would have actually taken steps though to get the nation out of it's slump. only thing is, it would have taken time, sacrifice, and hard work. something Americans are, somehow, afraid of, at this point. blown out, i suppose.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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>>>I dont know what guilt has to do with this but to claim its a mental illness is pretty ignorant. Guilt is part of empathy, and empathy is why our species still exists.

Being made to feel guilty by PeeCee'ism is mental illness. The Europeans do not owe the third world Muslims a dime no matter how you shill leftist dogma.

Btw, nice obfuscation attempt on empathy. There appears precious little to the indigenous Europeans to retain their culture, freedom and security.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 3
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hostileuniverse said:
akira_akuma said:
the right has never done anything to curb the national debt. you're picking sides, and you're being simplistic.


Neither has the left, you hate the right, but the left is just as guilty, are you blind?


I see aa and myself crticize democrats as well as republicans.

Honestly, if the right wingers on this sub could wise up to the fact that both parties are worthy of criticism  then we could begin having real discussions on what to do about the problem. Instead its always a pissing match about why everything is the lefts fault. Which then devolves to "well the left is worse," to finally "yeah both parties suck." Rinse wash repeat.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I also criticize GOP as well, it's usually ignored so as to keep me firmly planted in the mythical "right winger" category, I guess it's easier to belittle me and acceptable to personally attack me that way.

I can think of three users who routinely personally attack me, and it's always ignored by the mods. But when I insult back, the ban hammer is quick and swift.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
hostileuniverse said:
The Ecstatic said:
I dont know what guilt has to do with this but to claim its a mental illness is pretty ignorant. Guilt is part of empathy, and empathy is why our species still exists.


And here I thought it was becuase of procreation :whatever:


Dinosaurs procreated. Why arent they here? How about neanderthals?


Because there are forces beyond their control and comprehension that GG'd them.
Something we'll probably come to understand soon if we don't get our act together as a species. Were so busy playing these silly ass games between each other that we don't see the whole world is collapsing in our heads.

Ultimately though, the issue here and in the U.S has to do with economics, capitalism, and birth rates. Instead of fixing, reforming, and making a more adaptable system for the mature economies that exist in Europe and the U.S, from the top down...
They figure they will just throw my logs into the flame (immigrants) to keep the fire going (economic growth through population growth and lowered living conditions).

Playing on people's emotions causes a sideshow belief that it is to help these poor 'savage' people even as we bomb the shit out of their perfectly suitable and comparable dwellings. I mean, it really is a grand testament to cognitive dissonance
:allsodisappointed:

So, what do you say to it all .. I mean, it is what it is.. Mankind is just really that fucking dumb from top to bottom.


Every so often we have to just really have to fuck something sideways to learn. Some generations pass, we forget, and repeat it all over again.

Edited by iiilil (08/28/16 05:57 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: iiilil] * 1
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Wow this thread is still going. Interesting. I haven't been keeping up with it. I hope you guys are having a splendid time.

I've actually lost all interest in race. I think it's a crazy thing to obsess over. It's important the strong and intelligent go with the strong and intelligent, that's all that matters to me. Also there needs to be population control - we can't grow endlessly, there's no point, and the Earth is more important and beautiful than us and our civilization.

I dislike the left and SJWs etc, it's embarrassing, I also dislike white guilt, but when I see black or Aboriginal people in Australia and they look really alienated I feel nothing but love for them. I'm extremely compassionate for them and I think it sucks that they feel so alone in our society.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
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hostileuniverse said:
I also criticize GOP as well, it's usually ignored so as to keep me firmly planted in the mythical "right winger" category, I guess it's easier to belittle me and acceptable to personally attack me that way.

I can think of three users who routinely personally attack me, and it's always ignored by the mods. But when I insult back, the ban hammer is quick and swift.


you consistently put everyone you disaree with into the mythical "left winger" category, i guess it's easier to belittle and personally attack that way.

i can think of many users who routinely do this, and it's always ignored by the mods.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: beforethedawn] * 1
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beforethedawn said:
Wow this thread is still going. Interesting. I haven't been keeping up with it. I hope you guys are having a splendid time.

I've actually lost all interest in race. I think it's a crazy thing to obsess over. It's important the strong and intelligent go with the strong and intelligent, that's all that matters to me. Also there needs to be population control - we can't grow endlessly, there's no point, and the Earth is more important and beautiful than us and our civilization.

I dislike the left and SJWs etc, it's embarrassing, I also dislike white guilt, but when I see black or Aboriginal people in Australia and they look really alienated I feel nothing but love for them. I'm extremely compassionate for them and I think it sucks that they feel so alone in our society.


Same here. One of the big things one can do though is to stop mucking up the places that these people originally lived in, work together to build up their dwellings with their consent, and learn to appreciate cultural differences.

I really think its dishonest to go blowing up shit, stirring up trouble, and destroying their homes and then have a pity party for them when they have to uproot and be at the mercy of a culture that is foreign to them.

I by all means support immigration and diversity and feel guilting anyone for being who they are is wrong. However, creating artificial problems and solutions is bogus and usually serves some other purpose. I don't subscribe to any part of that as its a slippery slope towards supporting things that screw up the world.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: iiilil]
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iiilil said:
beforethedawn said:
Wow this thread is still going. Interesting. I haven't been keeping up with it. I hope you guys are having a splendid time.

I've actually lost all interest in race. I think it's a crazy thing to obsess over. It's important the strong and intelligent go with the strong and intelligent, that's all that matters to me. Also there needs to be population control - we can't grow endlessly, there's no point, and the Earth is more important and beautiful than us and our civilization.

I dislike the left and SJWs etc, it's embarrassing, I also dislike white guilt, but when I see black or Aboriginal people in Australia and they look really alienated I feel nothing but love for them. I'm extremely compassionate for them and I think it sucks that they feel so alone in our society.


Same here. One of the big things one can do though is to stop mucking up the places that these people originally lived in, work together to build up their dwellings with their consent, and learn to appreciate cultural differences.

I really think its dishonest to go blowing up shit, stirring up trouble, and destroying their homes and then have a pity party for them when they have to uproot and be at the mercy of a culture that is foreign to them.

I by all means support immigration and diversity and feel guilting anyone for being who they are is wrong. However, creating artificial problems and solutions is bogus and usually serves some other purpose. I don't subscribe to any part of that as its a slippery slope towards supporting things that screw up the world.


Hmm, 99% of the migrants flooding into the EU are not war "refugees", so enough of the "destroying their homes" nonsense.

A huge amount are African's looking for a better life, Africa can't control its population and the overflow is going into the EU, who's fault is that? 

The vast majority of the Muslims flooding into the EU are NOT from Syria, they are from relatively stable Middle Eastern nations, again they want a better life that EU citizens have to pay for, it's a shit fest.

"I by all means support immigration"

Muslims and African's flooding into the EU isn't legal immigration, what exactly do you support?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 3
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qman said:
Hmm, 99% of the migrants flooding into the EU are not war "refugees", so enough of the "destroying their homes" nonsense.




http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911



You're 100% incorrect and my statement holds.

qman said:
A huge amount are African's looking for a better life, Africa can't control its population and the overflow is going into the EU, who's fault is that? 



What makes you think they're from Africa? Because they're dark skinned? Have you read about the crisis in any degree? Of the those from Africa :
Libya is also a major departure point for irregular migrants setting off for Europe.
What is Libya? War torn and bombed out.

qman said:
The vast majority of the Muslims flooding into the EU are NOT from Syria, they are from relatively stable Middle Eastern nations, again they want a better life that EU citizens have to pay for, it's a shit fest.



100% incorrect. The vast majority are from Syria as is heavily documented.

qman said:
"I by all means support immigration"

Muslims and African's flooding into the EU isn't legal immigration, what exactly do you support?


First, get your facts straight before commenting.
Second, I never said illegal immigration is legal or should be tolerated.
A country should be able to protect its sovereignty and borders and those wishing to migrate should do so legally. However, when countries have population growth issues and their economic growth depends on it, it seems they get creative and a humanitarian crisis seems just the mechanism to get people to tolerate such destructive and unchecked migration.

Get it? So yeah, the far right rising in these places seems perfectly expected.
Systems always seek an equilibrium. It's one of the reasons why trump was able to rise to popularity in the U.S. Yet, many clowns don't seem to get what seeds sewed it.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: iiilil]
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html

"There are Indians who don't speak Arabic but say they are from Damascus. There are Pakistanis, Albanians, Egyptians, Kosovars, Somalis and Tunisians from countries with plenty of poverty and violence, but no war."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3240010/Number-refugees-arriving-Europe-soars-85-year-just-one-five-war-torn-Syria.html

"Only one in every five migrants claiming asylum in Europe is from Syria."

Looks like you have been a victim of MSM propaganda.

"What makes you think they're from Africa?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis

"Six of the ten largest countries of origin of refugees were African: Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, the Democratic Republic of Congo, the Central African Republic and Eritrea."

"Get your facts straight before commenting"

Maybe you should take your own advice.

"economic growth depends on it"

Yeah, importing a bunch of unskilled and uneducated migrants that can't speak the native language while leeching off of the insolvent social services is just great for EU economies. :huxleyfacepalm:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/15/un-director-admits-syrians-not-fleeing-war-gulf-countries-havent-taken-single-one/

"The Director-General of the United Nations Office in Geneva has revealed most of the migrants from Syria are not fleeing persecution or war"

Even the majority from Syria shouldn't be given refugee status.

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/678083/Germany-migrant-crisis-80-per-cent-no-documents-passport-registration

No documentation and fake passports, stunning news. :rofl2:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html



The immigration crisis peaked in years coinciding with formal and economic disruption in that region. The peak numbers are from the countries as described not from what the MSM promotes through anecdotal analysis in the articles you are linking to. Certain countries are jump-off points and gateways, guess what happens when you destroy those countries? People flood through them. Now, what idiot then and for what purpose would do that knowing full and well what would occur? You seem to misplace the intentions of the disruptions. You in fact don't highlight them at all nor does the MSM.

qman said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3240010/Number-refugees-arriving-Europe-soars-85-year-just-one-five-war-torn-Syria.html



Flowing through .. Flowing from. You bomb out a gateway and physics takes over.
They're either were too dumb to realize this (doubtful) or this was the expectation all along.

qman said:
"Only one in every five migrants claiming asylum in Europe is from Syria."



They are flowing through or from Syria most of all and its because its the most bombed out region.

qman said:
Looks like you have been a victim of MSM propaganda.



Seems like you're subscribing to a shallow story.

qman said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis



Please read your own links ... Of the portion from Africa which is small compared to the flow from/through Syria :
In 2008, Berlusconi's government in Italy and Gaddafi's government in Libya signed a treaty including cooperation between the two countries in stopping irregular migration from Libya to Italy; this led to a policy of forcibly returning to Libya boat migrants intercepted by the Italian coast guard at sea.[46] The cooperation collapsed following the outbreak of the Libyan civil war in 2011, and in 2012 the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Italy had violated the European Convention on Human Rights by returning migrants to Libya, as it exposed the migrants to the risk of being subjected to ill-treatment in Libya and violated the prohibition of collective expulsions.[47] Since 2011, and particularly since 2014, instability and the Second Civil War in Libya have made departures from the north-African country to Italy easier, with no central authority controlling Libya's ports and dealing with European countries, and migrant smuggling networks flourishing.

So, remind me who bombed out and got the racket started in Libya ?
Who brought down the barrier to stopping the immigration from Libya?

qman said:
Yeah, importing a bunch of unskilled and uneducated migrants that can't speak the native language while leeching off of the insolvent social services is just great for EU economies. :huxleyfacepalm:


You obviously don't understand basic economic theory especially that subscribed to in the countries referenced that can print currency and export inflation if you believe that ... Not saying it's going to work out but its grounded in economic theories that their central banks and governments subscribe to. Why do you think mass migration is being allowed in the U.S concurrently even though we have the power to enforce our borders?

It is clear to me that you're out of your depth in discussing this and unlike me, that is quite possibly because you source your information and analysis from the MSM. The narrative put forth is completely devoid from what is conveyed in MSM. Interesting that you suggest otherwise and use the MSM's commentary and shallow analysis as back-up.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/678083/Germany-migrant-crisis-80-per-cent-no-documents-passport-registration

No documentation and fake passports, stunning news. :rofl2:


Flowing from/through where and why? Who greased the skids?
Use your brain and dig deeper if you want the real story.

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