viktor said:

Malkuthian said:

What are you going to do about the fact that Swedish girls are at the same risk of being raped as South African ones, and it's all because of your immigration policy?

That's the big question.

What are you going to do about the fact that the Swedish neo-Nazis are polling at 20%?

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I have answered this before...
But you don't care about facts and understanding, you're just interested in finding propaganda that seems to support your already predefined worldview. I will answer again briefly to emphasize the importance of actually understanding details rather than just looking at headlines that seem to back up what you want it to back up:

Sweden is obsessed with zero-tolerance. This has affected rape-definitions and legislation.
-Things that we consider rape would not be defined rape in other places.
-If a person is raped 10 times by the same person this would constitute 10 rape-cases in Sweden and 1 case in other countries.
-High rate of incident reports...
-Etc.

See Wikipedia on Rapes in Sweden:

There have been several international comparisons made, placing Sweden at the top end of the number of reported rapes. However, police procedures and legal definitions vary widely across countries, which makes it difficult to compare rape statistics.[8][9][10][11] For example, Sweden reformed its sex crime legislation and made the legal definition of rape much wider in 2005,[3][4][8][12] which largely explains a significant increase in the number of reported rapes in the ten-year period of 2004-2013.[13][14] The Swedish police also record each instance of sexual violence in every case separately, leading to an inflated number of cases compared to other countries.[8][11][15] Additionally, the Swedish police have improved the handling of rape cases, in an effort to increase the number of crimes reported.[8][14][16][17] Raised awareness and a shifting attitude of sexual crimes in Sweden,[note 1][18] which has been ranked as the number one country in gender equality,[19] may also explain the relatively high rates of reported rape.[8][11][20]

For some addition info look at Rape statistics wiki-page on sweden.

Don't just read headlines. Try to understand what creates them as well.
Make an effort to understand, instead of waging war.

Malkuthian said:

viktor said:

Malkuthian said:

What are you going to do about the fact that Swedish girls are at the same risk of being raped as South African ones, and it's all because of your immigration policy?

That's the big question.

What are you going to do about the fact that the Swedish neo-Nazis are polling at 20%?

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I have answered this before...
But you don't care about facts and understanding, you're just interested in finding propaganda that seems to support your already predefined worldview. I will answer again briefly to emphasize the importance of actually understanding details rather than just looking at headlines that seem to back up what you want it to back up:

Sweden is obsessed with zero-tolerance. This has affected rape-definitions and legislation.
-Things that we consider rape would not be defined rape in other places.
-If a person is raped 10 times by the same person this would constitute 10 rape-cases in Sweden and 1 case in other countries.
-High rate of incident reports...
-Etc.

See Wikipedia on Rapes in Sweden:

There have been several international comparisons made, placing Sweden at the top end of the number of reported rapes. However, police procedures and legal definitions vary widely across countries, which makes it difficult to compare rape statistics.[8][9][10][11] For example, Sweden reformed its sex crime legislation and made the legal definition of rape much wider in 2005,[3][4][8][12] which largely explains a significant increase in the number of reported rapes in the ten-year period of 2004-2013.[13][14] The Swedish police also record each instance of sexual violence in every case separately, leading to an inflated number of cases compared to other countries.[8][11][15] Additionally, the Swedish police have improved the handling of rape cases, in an effort to increase the number of crimes reported.[8][14][16][17] Raised awareness and a shifting attitude of sexual crimes in Sweden,[note 1][18] which has been ranked as the number one country in gender equality,[19] may also explain the relatively high rates of reported rape.[8][11][20]

For some addition info look at Rape statistics wiki-page on sweden.

Don't just read headlines. Try to understand what creates them as well.
Make an effort to understand, instead of waging war.

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  Your country must be so proud of you.

viktor said:

> If a person is raped 10 times by the same person this would constitute 10 rape-cases in Sweden and 1 case in other countries.

What crap. You think nothing is wrong and there are no problems.

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viktor said:

This was in 2001 - probably you had just started primary school at the time.

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viktor said:

I think you're very naive and immature and it comes through in your sarcasm.

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viktor said:

It's clear to me that I know much more about Sweden than you do. Obviously you live in an echo chamber whereas I have a range of friends from across society.

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viktor said:

What are you going to do when the Sweden Democrats win an election? Because coming on here and being sarcastic isn't going to help you...

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Malkuthian said:

Sweden is obsessed with zero-tolerance. This has affected rape-definitions and legislation.
-Things that we consider rape would not be defined rape in other places.
-If a person is raped 10 times by the same person this would constitute 10 rape-cases in Sweden and 1 case in other countries.
-High rate of incident reports...
-Etc.

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See Wikipedia on Rapes in Sweden:

There have been several international comparisons made, placing Sweden at the top end of the number of reported rapes. However, police procedures and legal definitions vary widely across countries, which makes it difficult to compare rape statistics.[8][9][10][11] For example, Sweden reformed its sex crime legislation and made the legal definition of rape much wider in 2005,[3][4][8][12] which largely explains a significant increase in the number of reported rapes in the ten-year period of 2004-2013.

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the US never recognized that men could be victims of rape or sexual assault and
yet when rapes and sexual assaults were reported by men the numbers didnt seem to
increase.


so how did Sweden redefine the definition of rape to mark such an increase. is the
author of this passage also failing to recignize that there was a large influx of
migrants to sweden in 2004 which certainly would affect those statistics if those
migrants were part of the rape problem in sweden





maybe they've redefined rape to include "stare rape" because it's a feminist stronhold

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[13][14] The Swedish police also record each instance of sexual violence in every case separately, leading to an inflated number of cases compared to other countries.

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so how would the author of this wiki article try to excuse the raposts from prior
to 2004 when the reported incidences of rapes were on a serious upturn for more
than 3 decades prior to the changes in legislation. is that when they started the
multiple reporting, back in 1985 and if so then how has it affected what was being
reported after 2005. it seems that sweden may have a very real homegrown rape
crisis such as those viking traditions are coming back into vogue

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[8][11][15] Additionally, the Swedish police have improved the handling of rape cases, in an effort to increase the number of crimes reported.[8][14][16][17] Raised awareness and a shifting attitude of sexual crimes in Sweden,[note 1][18] which has been ranked as the number one country in gender equality,[19] may also explain the relatively high rates of reported rape.[8][11][20]

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Don't just read headlines. Try to understand what creates them as well.
Make an effort to understand, instead of waging war.

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Prisoner#1 said:

maybe you need to be asking questions as well, not simply reading a wiki article
that tells you what to believe because when I'm seeing is a large number of rapes
that are on the rise at a very serious pace that spans 4 decades, as if the number
of reported rapes doubles each year while the number of convictions for these
crimes remains the same. surely if 1 man is charged with 10 rapes of a single
victim they'd be getting 10 convictions on that same perpetrator which would give
a greater resolution on these cases

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Prisoner#1 said:

another thing that puzzles me, when that 1 perpetrator has a single victim but is
charged with 10 rapes, are they counting 10 separate instances? why do your police
wait so long to act, could they not find a pillow in under 5 instances? are throat
lozenges in such short supply that they have to import them?

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Prisoner#1 said:

so how would the author of this wiki article try to excuse the raposts from prior
to 2004 when the reported incidences of rapes were on a serious upturn for more
than 3 decades prior to the changes in legislation. is that when they started the
multiple reporting, back in 1985 and if so then how has it affected what was being
reported after 2005. it seems that sweden may have a very real homegrown rape
crisis such as those viking traditions are coming back into vogue

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Maybe you should start by reading the wiki links (at least...)?

Personally I think the very strong feminist movement in Sweden is a big reason for the problematic statistics. The definition of rape has been widened for a long time. And if I were to argue against these changes and say "that's not really rape", I would be met with: "so you think it's okay to do that?". If this bullshit continues, soon it will be defined as a rape if a guy would hug a girl he doesn't know... This is an ongoing problem. It makes comparing statistics impossible. And this did not start 2004:

"For example, in 1992 a legislative change came into force which shifted the dividing line between sexual assault and rape. This legislative change resulted in about a 25% increase in the level of registered rape offences."
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1008713631586

Apart from this I think Sweden has been very successful in getting victims to report the crime. We have an unusually high confidence in the government in Sweden. And there has been a lot of work done to enable victims of especially these types of crimes to report them. Help centers, hotlines, etc. I would say it's very likely that the quota reported rapes/actual rapes has been getting higher and higher over the years. But such statistics are naturally hard to show

The question remains, how big is the problem? Is it bigger than in other countries?
And the even more important questions is: is it really reasonable to use this highly debated statistics to claim refugees causes rape? Or is that maybe just using the headlines to support what you want it to support?...

Malkuthian said:

the information needed can be found through the linked wiki pages...
Example: Violence against women: an EU-wide survey

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*Also a interesting examaple:
"Unlike the majority of countries in Europe, crime data in Sweden are collected when the offence in question is first reported, at which point the classification may be unclear. In Sweden, once an act has been registered as rape, it retains this classification in the published crime statistics, even if later investigations indicate that no crime can be proven or if the offence must be given an alternative judicial classification"
If that's not a way to fuck up statistics I don't know what is...

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Prisoner#1 said:

I was thinking that the victim reports the incident after 10 rapes, as usually is the case with domestic rapes...
"For example, if a woman says she has been raped by her husband every day during a year, the Swedish police may record more than 300 cases of rape"/ Wiki . Rape_in_Sweden - Statistical_factors

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Maybe you should start by reading the wiki links (at least...)?

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In 2014, there were 6,700 rapes reported to the Swedish police—or 69 cases per 100,000 population—according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (BRÅ), which is an 11 percent increase from the previous year.[5] The number of convictions has remained relatively unchanged since 2005, with approximately 190 convictions on average each year.[6][7]

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Personally I think the very strong feminist movement in Sweden is a big reason for the problematic statistics. The definition of rape has been widened for a long time. And if I were to argue against these changes and say "that's not really rape", I would be met with: "so you think it's okay to do that?". If this bullshit continues, soon it will be defined as a rape if a guy would hug a girl he doesn't know... This is an ongoing problem. It makes comparing statistics impossible. And this did not start 2004:

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Apart from this I think Sweden has been very successful in getting victims to report the crime. We have an unusually high confidence in the government in Sweden.

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And the even more important questions is: is it really reasonable to use this highly debated statistics to claim refugees causes rape? Or is that maybe just using the headlines to support what you want it to support?...

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havent there been an increase in the reports of rapes? the statistics show there
has and those numbers seem to follow the immigration patterns of migrants entering
sweden, maybe it's just a coincidence or maybe the increasing trends of rape
reports reflect the growing population

viktor said:

I think you're very naive and immature and it comes through in your sarcasm.

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It's Malkuthian that comes across as the grown up in the room. 

viktor said:

Malkuthian said:

We have an unusually high confidence in the government in Sweden.

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That's another way of saying "we're unusually gullible in Sweden".

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Or it's another of saying the Swedish Government hasn't proven itself as corrupt as others.

viktor said:

The rapes would decrease if you stopped letting in Muslims in huge numbers. The fact that you would rather let your women get raped en masse than admit to something not politically correct is sad, but at the same time very Swedish.

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You clearly haven't been paying attention to anything Malkuthian has been saying.

viktor said:

In any case, I know how Swedes think. You will believe whatever is fashionable, no matter what. As long as it's fashionable to deny how many sex crimes are committed by Muslims, you will continue to deny it.

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Right, you know how Swedes think better than a Swede.    I know you don't know how he thinks because I actually read his posts.

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

viktor said:

I think you're very naive and immature and it comes through in your sarcasm.

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It's Malkuthian that comes across as the grown up in the room. 

viktor said:

Malkuthian said:

We have an unusually high confidence in the government in Sweden.

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That's another way of saying "we're unusually gullible in Sweden".

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Or it's another of saying the Swedish Government hasn't proven itself as corrupt as others.

viktor said:

The rapes would decrease if you stopped letting in Muslims in huge numbers. The fact that you would rather let your women get raped en masse than admit to something not politically correct is sad, but at the same time very Swedish.

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You clearly haven't been paying attention to anything Malkuthian has been saying.

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Prisoner#1 said:

so you have some serious problems with your government kowtowing to fringe groups
of nutter women because they're afraid the bitches will cut off the flow of pussy
and the men are terrified that they'll never get laid again so they simply give up
on the debate when a woman says "so you think it's OK to do that?" instead of
saying something like "no, I think you're a retarded twat for wanting to compare a
guy glancing at your ass to an actual violent rape" but hey, you guys want the
socialist utopia that falsely portrays you as the rape capital of the world, maybe
it can be the new tourist slogan "Sweden, we'll rape you good"

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Prisoner#1 said:

havent there been an increase in the reports of rapes? the statistics show there
has and those numbers seem to follow the immigration patterns of migrants entering
sweden, maybe it's just a coincidence or maybe the increasing trends of rape
reports reflect the growing population

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viktor said:

> We have an unusually high confidence in the government in Sweden.

That's another way of saying "we're unusually gullible in Sweden".

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viktor said:

This thread is about the rise of the far-right in Europe. As long as you continue to lie about the fact that Muslim immigrants commit a massive proportion of sex crimes in Sweden, the far-right will continue to rise.

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viktor said:

In any case, I know how Swedes think. You will believe whatever is fashionable, no matter what. As long as it's fashionable to deny how many sex crimes are committed by Muslims, you will continue to deny it.

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Starter said:

The insanity continues...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3752939/Borders-worst-invention-EU-chief-Jean-Claude-Juncker-widens-rift-European-leaders-calls-borders-opened.html

Under-fire EU chief Jean-Claude Juncker risked widening divisions with European leaders today by saying borders were the 'worst invention ever'.

He called for all borders across Europe to be opened, despite the chaos caused over the last year from the flood in refugees fleeing Syria and the wave of terror attacks hitting various continent's cities.

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