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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: qman]
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your usage always suggest something other than identifying nationality, which you also always include with a second moniker as shown in bubbs post above (native euro).

your usage seems to be one that elevates the status of the aforementioned subject over those that are not considered by the speaker to be "native"

in short for y'all: when you use it, it's almost always diminutive of the "non-native" person for no good reason.

remember guys, the way you say things is near as important as what you're saying.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: airclay]
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Sounds like some PC bull shit to me bro ....

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: Bubbles85]
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it's alright bubbs I didn't really expect you to understand or accept a deeper look into what's being presented outside of the surface level.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: airclay]
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How would you prefer i worded my statement then? Seeing as a blanket statement proposing the truth seems so offensive to you?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: Bubbles85]
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"a blanket statement proposing the truth"

:lol:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: airclay]
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Bad choice of words. Never the less, it is the truth. Why does the truth offend you so much? Why does every thing have to be so politically correct?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: Bubbles85]
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if I don't agree why does it have to be the truth to me? what exactly makes it the truth?

there's a difference between being politically correct and taking a more comprehensive look into demeanor based on vocabulary and structure of the way an idea is being presented.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: airclay]
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So how would you prefer i worded my statement?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: Bubbles85]
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it's not about what I would prefer.

it's about understanding the depths of words, when and where to use them and what underlying intent that method could hold.

tbh, when qman uses it more generally, describing a whole rather than individual and not combined with a second identifier, even tho I don't agree, I don't think it absolutely presents the same tone as I described earlier.


if I asked myself the same questions; why is this the truth, what exactly makes it the truth? I dunno man, this is just like my opinion.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: airclay]
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If it's happening, which it most certainly is and there is evidence, then how can it not be the truth?

There are various stats available online that show migrant men (those not born in Sweden) are responsible for committing the majority of rapes in that country.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: airclay] * 1
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: night_shift]
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A mentally ill Iraqi refugee was dragged out of a German supermarket and beaten by three masked men, allegedly to prevent his escape. The incident, which occurred at a Netto store in Arnsdorf, Saxony, has sparked outrage and raised concerns about vigilante groups and racism in the region. The supermarket staff claimed the man had acted threateningly, but the video shows he was not violent and the language barrier created confusion. Police let the assailants go and are now investigating the refugee and the attackers for unlawful detention. Critics argue the attack was racially motivated and question the police's response to the incident, which has raised concerns about the rise of far-right groups and vigilante justice in Germany.

Stole this from the OTD (a real fucking dimwit conversation there). Let's be clear here regardless of this guys actions, private citizens have no right to touch this person.

what happened here is organized hate groups criminally assaulting, robbing and kidnapping


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When an Iraqi refugee got into an argument with staff at a supermarket in Saxony, three men dressed in black dragged him out, beat him and tied him to a tree. Police let the men go.

As can be seen from a video uploaded to YouTube, the Iraqi man, who was being treated in a mental health clinic in the town, was standing opposite the check-out holding a bottle by his side.

The language barrier is causing confusion. The man speaks in Arabic as the check-out woman at discount retailer Netto in Arnsdorf repeatedly asks him in German to put the bottle down.

The man does not appear violent in the video, nor does he raise the bottle. But the staff appear afraid to approach him.

After around two minutes of this stand-off three men dressed in black walk into the shop, collar the man and drag him out. When he appears to resist, they brutally beat him.

The video ends with a woman saying “it’s such a pity that we need a self-defence group.”

According to police, it was the third time that day that the mentally ill man had entered the supermarket after the SIM card he had bought for his mobile phone there didn’t seem to work. On the first two occasions the police had arrived and taken him back to the hospital.

Staff at the shop claim that the man grabbed the bottle from the shelf and acted threateningly towards them.

After the end of the video, the men reportedly dragged the Iraqi man into the parking lot and tied him with cable ties to a tree.

When police arrived shortly afterwards, the men explained they wanted to prevent his escape.

Officers told the men to leave without asking for their identification.

Police are now investigating the Iraqi refugee on suspicion of threatening people. They are also investigating the as-yet unidentified men on suspicion of unlawful detention.

'Horrible and shameful'

According to the Sächsiche Zeitung, at least one of the culprits is already well known in the town - because he is a local politician for Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union (CDU).

Town councillor Detlef Oelsner defended his actions with the group in a council meeting, saying they had shown “civil courage” and that they would have reacted the same way “if he was German.”

“This was no form of self-defence. This was an attack with massive physical violence that clearly went beyond the bounds of the law,” Thomas Dudzak, spokesman for the Left Party in Saxony, told The Local.

As far his party is concerned, the attack was racially motivated, he added.

“One can certainly doubt that they would have reacted the same way had this been a German.”

“The pictures from Arnsdorf are horrible and shameful, it’s another incident that makes you shudder,” Daniela Kolbe, general-secretary for the Social Democratic Party in Saxony told The Local.

“The state needs to pay more attention to vigilante groups. What happened in Arnsdorf needs to be decisively acted against. The state is there to look out for security and justice, not some self-proclaimed hobby sheriffs.”

Vigilantes on the rise


Every since the events in Cologne on New Year’s Eve, when hundreds of women reported being sexually assaulted by men of Middle Eastern appearance, Bürgerwehr (citizens' defence) groups have been popping up in cities across Germany.

These groups are normally organized over Facebook, and even in quiet towns with almost no crime they can garner thousands of likes, reports the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.

Especially in the angst-ridden weeks after Cologne, volunteers would patrol the streets, often in pairs and with dogs.

In many cases these organizations are believed to be a guise for far-right groups to carry out their racist ideology in the name of protecting normal civilians.

In January, Berlin daily Tagesspiegel reported on information from the Interior Ministry that seven of these groups across the country had far-right organizations behind them.

In the southwestern state of Rhineland-Palatinate, the leader of the neo-Nazi National Democratic Party (NPD) called for the formation of "citizens' defence units" to protect people against “the rapists and murderers” entering the country.

Members of one Bürgerwehr in the Saxon town of Freital could face terrorism charges, as they are suspected of carrying out arson and explosive attacks on refugee homes.

A 'citizens'-defence group' in Düsseldorf. Photo: DPA

Saxony’s ‘racist’ police

The eastern state of Saxony, where the Iraqi refugee was tied to the tree, has become notorious for its hostility to refugees and Muslims in general.

State capital Dresden is the home of Pegida, the xenophobic street movement which holds regular rallies in the city centre against “the Islamization of the West.”
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The group’s leader, Lutz Bachmann, was recently convicted of using hate speech after calling refugees “scum” and “cattle.”

On other occasions, locals in various towns have protested against asylum homes, mobbed buses carrying asylum seekers, and tried to prevent fire services from putting out the blaze of an arson attack on a refugee home.

Saxony’s police too have been criticized by the state’s deputy minister-president for having a racism problem.

The behaviour of police in Saxony came under scrutiny after disturbing video emerged of officers dragging a terrified refugee from a bus in the town of Clausnitz while a mob of anti-refugees demonstrators blocked the vehicle.

This latest incident is also raising questions about the professionalism of the police in the eastern state, with local media pointing out failures in their reporting and how they reacted to the incident.

The incident occurred on May 21st, but police took over ten days to publicize it, and only did so after video emerged, Bild reports.

Dudzak from the Left Party said that it was "strange that the men were ordered to leave the scene rather than have their identities checked".

"There is  proof that the police in Saxony have links to the far-right scene, including to the NPD. One must ask if they have the necessary distance from these groups to be able to perform their jobs properly."

But he cautioned that one should not jump to conclusions about the incident in Arnsdorf too quickly.

"There needs to be an inquiry on the part of the police hierarchy as to why the officers behaved as they did."
http://www.thelocal.de/20160602/vigilante-group-beat-mentally-ill-refugee-and-tie-him-to-tree

As you can see, THE FAR RIGHT are really shaking things up.

Three intellectual men, hand selected as the best brains from this entire TOWN, dish out justice the only way they know how.

The supermarket customers were all stricken with a particularly chronic strain of shock as you can see. This happens in every supermarket in Germany, all the time.

It's a new game.

Customers go about buying their stuff but once you get to the checkout, the person with the darkest skin needs to be identified and then beaten upon.

The contents of his shopping cart are then evenly distributed between the bursters.

The burstee then has another chance the next time he goes shopping.

Hopefully he can then find someone with darker skin, or he'll be the burstee again.




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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: night_shift]
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night_shift said:
airclay said:
tbh, when qman uses it more generally, describing a whole rather than individual and not combined with a second identifier, even tho I don't agree, I don't think it absolutely presents the same tone as I described earlier.




I think the difference you might be looking for in the usage of the word "native" is the difference between using "native" to describe the legal aspect of being born in a certain state vs the cultural aspect of being an inheritor of a certain nationality, culture, religion, etc.

Bubbles85 said:
I'm native to England, my country of ancestry and birth.




(Emphasis mine.)
Such slips speak volumes, lol.


Edit to add:

Both meanings are ok. I only see a problem when one of the meanings is used to justify actions under the other meaning - which happens to be quite often.



Native- a person born in a specific place or associated with a place by birth.  Associated with the country, region, or circumstances of a person's birth.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: qman]
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Edited by night_shift (06/05/16 11:42 AM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: night_shift] * 1
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http://faculty.piercecollege.edu/chartrfj/XENOPHOBIA.html

"Xenophobia is defined as an intense or IRRATIONAL dislike or fear of people from other countries"

When the fear is rational, the term xenophobia is not longer applicable.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: qman]
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: night_shift]
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:whathesaid:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Any statistics on what percentage of the migrants are rapists and thieves?  Of course those should all be sent home.



There's a ton of statistic available online if you google them. I've seen reports that suggest 77% of all rapes carried out in Sweden are committed by migrant men, with roughly 9 out of 10 of the women targeted, native European.



The question was "what percentage of the migrants are rapists and thieves?"  Is it one in 100, one in 10,000???


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: qman] * 1
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Germany = retardville.

right-wing on the rise? let's give the retard a pat on the back, then, i guess. :facepalm:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: night_shift] * 1
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night_shift said:
qman said:
http://faculty.piercecollege.edu/chartrfj/XENOPHOBIA.html

"Xenophobia is defined as an intense or IRRATIONAL dislike or fear of people from other countries"

When the fear is rational, the term xenophobia is not longer applicable.



Your fear is not rational.



Really?  The fact that illegals cause harm to the US working class is a proven fact, it's also a fact that they cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars. Again, please explain how that's irrational fear? :facepalm:

I won't even explain how the EU citizens have even more rational fear when it comes to Africans and ME third world people invading their homelands.

I'll wait for a rational response, but I'm sure I won't get one. :rofl2:

Edited by qman (06/05/16 10:21 PM)

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