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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
Who all share similar values and religion, and with whom?



The people considered as refugees, are all coming from neighboring country's to the ones shown in the graph you posted, hence the majority will share similar values and religion to the people in the host country's, no?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] * 1
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Tipote said:
qman said:
"doesn't really matter does it?"

It doesn't matter to the UN or people like yourself because the whole population of Africa are "refugees" in your minds, which essentially makes that whole illustration completely meaningless.



huh?



I asked where are the refugee are coming from?  Your reply, "doesn't really matter does it?"

In fact it does matter, people are just crossing borders escaping their local shit holes. What exactly is that UN poster trying to suggest?  It's pretty meaningless without any details. :lol:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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In case anyone is wondering why Australia turns those migrant boats around or detains them.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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Good times in the Netherlands as Muslims riot and throw stones at innocent natives. :facepalm:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
I asked where are the refugee are coming from?  Your reply, "doesn't really matter does it?"

In fact it does matter, people are just crossing borders escaping their local shit holes.



There are a ton of conflicts going on right now throughout MENA so they can be from anywhere - the Congo, Somalia etc etc.

But really - why does it matter where the refugees come from? I don't see the point you are making.

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What exactly is that UN poster trying to suggest?  It's pretty meaningless without any details. :lol:



Are you struggling without someone else's annotation of the information?
What do you mean "what is it trying to suggest"? How is it meaningless? Its giving perspective of the global refugee situation by showing those places in the world with the biggest refugee populations. Maybe some people get the impression that refugees are ONLY coming to Europe.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
Tipote said:
Who all share similar values and religion, and with whom?



The people considered as refugees, are all coming from neighboring country's to the ones shown in the graph you posted, hence the majority will share similar values and religion to the people in the host country's, no?



Africa is a big place, there can be quite stark differences in terms of culture, ethnicity, religion etc even between two neighbouring countries and even within one country..but generally I think the similarities outweigh the differences between people.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/german-nationalist-party-takes-aim-islam-39303286

"Hoecke, made clear last week that only Muslims who submit to Germany's secular order and the wishes of the country's indigenous population were welcome."

"if a Muslim in this country won't accept that, then he's free to roll up his prayer rug, stick it under his arm and leave this country"



I think the muslim mayor of Maastricht or somewhere said almost exactly the same thing.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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What about the long list of economic migrants flooding into the EU from the shit holes of the third world? :popcorn:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
What about the long list of economic migrants flooding into the EU from the shit holes of the third world? :popcorn:



Well if they aren't being registered for asylum then their nationalities are probably not being recorded. I imagine the list is the same as the usual list of illegal immigrants that try to come to Europe whether there is a migrant crisis or not.. Algerians, Moroccans, Kosovans and Albanians (in the above infographic) etc. The influxes are largely refugee so even if one percent were illegal economic migrants then that is still a hell of a lot. Perhaps you can find information on this but frankly by its very nature, these are difficult numbers to quantify if they aren't on the radar. This is why accepting refugees needs to be done in a careful and coordinated way to ensure we don't get stuck with people who arent refugees.

As I've said billions of times on this thread.. securing the borders and accepting refugees are not mutually exclusive.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Check out these fucking retards..

Britain First threatens to target London Mayor Sadiq Khan with 'direct action'

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“Britain First now considers all Muslim elected officials as ‘occupiers’ and will start to oppose their strategy of entryism and take-over of our political system.”

Citing the apparent “intelligence” they receive, the group pledges to “focus on all aspects of their day-to-day lives and official functions, including where they live, work, pray and so on”.



how do you think this impacts integration efforts? :smbfacepalm:

also, they were shouted out of Leicester by the town chanting "racists not welcome here" :heart: :lol:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
qman said:
What about the long list of economic migrants flooding into the EU from the shit holes of the third world? :popcorn:



Well if they aren't being registered for asylum then their nationalities are probably not being recorded. I imagine the list is the same as the usual list of illegal immigrants that try to come to Europe whether there is a migrant crisis or not.. Algerians, Moroccans, Kosovans and Albanians (in the above infographic) etc. The influxes are largely refugee so even if one percent were illegal economic migrants then that is still a hell of a lot. Perhaps you can find information on this but frankly by its very nature, these are difficult numbers to quantify if they aren't on the radar. This is why accepting refugees needs to be done in a careful and coordinated way to ensure we don't get stuck with people who arent refugees.

As I've said billions of times on this thread.. securing the borders and accepting refugees are not mutually exclusive.



"The influxes are largely refugee, so even if one percent were illegal"

:lolwut: "Indians, Pakistanis, Egyptians, Somalis, Tunisians,"  are "refugees", I don't think so.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html

BTW, no one coming from Northern Africa is consider a "refugee", nice try. 

Once again, you're confusing refugees with economic migrants, even the UN has spelled it out for everyone, why can't you comprehend this reality?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 3
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Obama should call the new mayor of London and give him some tips on how to deal with white trash ultra nationalists.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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if someone is in fear of persecution from their leaders and from the people running (or people running through) their country, or fear of death or imprisonment -- they can consider themselves refugees. plain and simple.

there is lots of Muslim and Christian anti-gay and anti-christian and anti-muslim persecution. hence when some are fleeing.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
"The influxes are largely refugee, so even if one percent were illegal"

:lolwut: "Indians, Pakistanis, Egyptians, Somalis, Tunisians,"  are "refugees", I don't think so.



HUH? I didn't say they were....! ?

My statement was that even if there was one percent of the influxes that were not refugees, it would be a lot from all over the world - of course. I'm sure its more than 1%. Not sure what point you thought i was making..

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html



Yes this has been happening.

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BTW, no one coming from Northern Africa is consider a "refugee", nice try.


 

Nice try? I didnt say anything along these lines? ..

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Once again, you're confusing refugees with economic migrants, even the UN has spelled it out for everyone, why can't you comprehend this reality?



am I? how??

the line between them is not always obvious. You can be both an economic migrant AND a refugee.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Interesting to hear that the mayor of london is supportive of Israel. I wonder if he is just trying to resist the Israeli-lobby-orchestrated backlash as Labour has already been under attack for "antisemitism"


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Obama should call the new mayor of London and give him some tips on how to deal with white trash ultra nationalists.



Or how he takes orders from rich white people and how he has been living life as a House Negro for decades. :rofl2:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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beep beep boop boop!

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
if someone is in fear of persecution from their leaders and from the people running (or people running through) their country, or fear of death or imprisonment -- they can consider themselves refugees. plain and simple.

there is lots of Muslim and Christian anti-gay and anti-christian and anti-muslim persecution. hence when some are fleeing.



They could consider themselves mushrooms, that's completely irrelevant.

The country that first checks their identifications determines their status, not the invader. :facepalm:  That can also change as well, it's up to the host government.

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