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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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I didnt even know they had houses in Bulgaria.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
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A majority of people in the 14 nations (57 per cent) believe the European Union should do more to tackle the refugee crisis. In Britain, some 40 per cent want the EU to do more, 33 per cent say its response is about right and 27 per cent want it to do less.

But many people across Europe seem reluctant to see their own governments take more action to resolve the crisis. Only 30 per cent want their own nation to do more, 40 per cent say its response is about right and 29 per cent want it to do less. In the UK, only 28 per cent want the country to do more, while 32 per cent say it should be doing less.

Across Europe, 59 per cent of those polled believe economic migrants are a burden because they take people’s jobs and increase pressure on public services, while 41 per cent think they strengthen their country through hard work. In Britain, the figures are 64 per cent and 36 per cent respectively.




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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: zappaisgod]
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Those figures sound about right, but its all in how you ask the question.

Something needs to change, most agree on that. But the changes that need to be made are all over the place.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
"terror attacks has nothing to do with refugees"

They are both Muslims and if you hadn't noticed the top government intelligence agencies said that ISIS members have used this free for all to come into the EU to cause further terrorist acts.


yes i'm aware of this and i'm sure that there is infiltration going on and this is very serious - this just underlines the need for EU-wide cooperative organisation in dealing with this crisis. Its been done before in Europe. Letting them pile up in Greece with no support and security checks is not going to end well. or "it won't be pretty" as is your favourite statement on this thread.

the point is that the terror attacks were committed by European citizens, not refugees. Leaving a syrian passport at the scene of the suicide bombing is a means for Daesh to encourage a backlash against refugees and muslims in general. The acceptance of refugees is a propaganda coup against Daesh. Why would muslims be leaving the islamic state if Daesh was legitimate?

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"There is huge support...for accepting refugees"

Sure, people support this theoretical good cause until the reality of this policy comes into fruition. German citizens supported it before the realization that their homelands were turning into chaos and there is no future for these third world leeches.



opinions are still divided and yes absolutely they change from day to day. As the graph shows that many countries were less accepting after the paris attacks.

there is also a difference between anger over the lack of organisation, how the acceptance of refugees manifests etc.. and.. anger over accepting refugees. If it wasn't done in such a messy disorganised way, perhaps support would be higher. who knows? lots of factors come into play for the constant changes in opinion.

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You have to understand there's a huge difference between checking a box on a written survey and then trying to live with third world people. Those polls are beyond childish in nature.


yes i know very well.. polls are generally not 100% accurate.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Those figures sound about right, but its all in how you ask the question.


Yes it is.  I wonder where Tipote gets his ready made posts from.  he never links the source.
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Something needs to change, most agree on that. But the changes that need to be made are all over the place.


The EU is currently paying Turkey to keep the migrants.  They are doing the same thing in Niger.  Kenya is looking for a check, too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/opinion/refugees-shouldnt-be-bargaining-chips.html


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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Erdogan is NATO's bitch, he'll do anything to keep the CIA from launching a Turkish Spring.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Erdogan is NATO's bitch,


I think you got that backwards, pal.  He's got the EU over a barrel.  He even got that stupid cunt Merkel to prosecute a German citizen for making fun of him, the special snowflake.
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he'll do anything to keep the CIA from launching a Turkish Spring.


Another one who thinks the CIA is actually competent.  I wish they were as good as what the nutjobs think they are.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: zappaisgod]
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The Ecstatic said:
I didnt even know they had houses in Bulgaria.


:lol:
only a few

zappaisgod said:
I wonder where Tipote gets his ready made posts from.  he never links the source.


if you look in the post there are a couple of sources that account for more than one of the polls for each source.

I think the only source I didn't include was some of the first couple of polls which are clearly labelled as "yougov" polls. I can post the sources if you need but they take 2 seconds to find if you just google "yougov refugee" or something along those lines..

I think this is the only time I've not included all the relevant sources so its hardly "never" lol.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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zappaisgod said:
The Ecstatic said:
Erdogan is NATO's bitch,


I think you got that backwards, pal.  He's got the EU over a barrel.


We have reason enough to oust him, the only reason hes in power in a country that despises him is because we want him there.

zappaisgod said:
The Ecstatic said:
he'll do anything to keep the CIA from launching a Turkish Spring.


Another one who thinks the CIA is actually competent.  I wish they were as good as what the nutjobs think they are.


Yeah, then the US would be running the world.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
The Ecstatic said:
Erdogan is NATO's bitch,


I think you got that backwards, pal.  He's got the EU over a barrel.  He even got that stupid cunt Merkel to prosecute a German citizen for making fun of him, the special snowflake.
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he'll do anything to keep the CIA from launching a Turkish Spring.


Another one who thinks the CIA is actually competent.  I wish they were as good as what the nutjobs think they are.


The EU is not the same thing at NATO fyi

Also why do you think the CIA are so incompetent? I mean that isn't to say there isn't a whole lot of incompetence within the CIA but there is a long history of CIA-backed coups throughout the world. Why do you just reduce it to nutjob conspiracy theory?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Poll question, "if 25 'refugee' African males needed your house, bed, bank account, and wife for sex, would you let them have it all while you had to sleep on the street?  95% YES, 5% No"

:flowstone:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/671624/Calais-migrants-French-police-fleeing-Calais-300-attacked-refugees-Jungle-Bouchart

"Police union leaders warned that officers are 'risking their lives every day' patrolling the lawless port town, which is overrun by gangs of migrants wielding iron bars, rocks and even knives and guns"

They should give these police officers a survey. :rofl2:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/671612/Illiterate-migrants-double-Europe-GDP-2020-left-wing-academic-LSE

"Illiterate migrants arriving in Europe will earn more than double what they cost in housing and benefits over the next five years, according to a report by a left-wing academic and former Brussels bureaucrat"

"However he even admitted that more than 80 percent of those migrants arriving in Germany are unqualified"

Tip, are these the morons you follow for economic forecasts?  Maybe that 1 Euro per hour will really have a major impact. :facepalm:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
They are so welcoming they are about to elect a right-wing president in Austria.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3598590/Presidency-reach-Austrias-far-right-Freedom-Party.html

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his most important political project is to secure borders.




He won't be the last either.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/671624/Calais-migrants-French-police-fleeing-Calais-300-attacked-refugees-Jungle-Bouchart

"Police union leaders warned that officers are 'risking their lives every day' patrolling the lawless port town, which is overrun by gangs of migrants wielding iron bars, rocks and even knives and guns"

They should give these police officers a survey. :rofl2:


Whats going on in Calais is a fucking disgrace .. Poor helpless refugee's my fucking ass .. Bring in the army to sort the situation out.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Poll question, "if 25 'refugee' African males needed your house, bed, bank account, and wife for sex, would you let them have it all while you had to sleep on the street?  95% YES, 5% No"

:flowstone:


goddamn dude, of course you'd think that's either an appropriate response or funny in the slightest.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
qman said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/671624/Calais-migrants-French-police-fleeing-Calais-300-attacked-refugees-Jungle-Bouchart

"Police union leaders warned that officers are 'risking their lives every day' patrolling the lawless port town, which is overrun by gangs of migrants wielding iron bars, rocks and even knives and guns"

They should give these police officers a survey. :rofl2:


Whats going on in Calais is a fucking disgrace .. Poor helpless refugee's my fucking ass .. Bring in the army to sort the situation out.


y'all realise that camp has been around since like 2000 right? yes it's recently grown but I'd bet the uptick in crime matches the rise in population lately. and express is def one sided news.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
zappaisgod said:
The Ecstatic said:
Erdogan is NATO's bitch,


I think you got that backwards, pal.  He's got the EU over a barrel.  He even got that stupid cunt Merkel to prosecute a German citizen for making fun of him, the special snowflake.
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he'll do anything to keep the CIA from launching a Turkish Spring.


Another one who thinks the CIA is actually competent.  I wish they were as good as what the nutjobs think they are.


The EU is not the same thing at NATO fyi


Pretty much.  Since he clearly owns the EU perhaps you can explain how the US has made Erdogan their bitch.
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Also why do you think the CIA are so incompetent? I mean that isn't to say there isn't a whole lot of incompetence within the CIA but there is a long history of CIA-backed coups throughout the world. Why do you just reduce it to nutjob conspiracy theory?


CIA backing is not and never has been sufficient in any way to bring about a coup.  They do not have that much power.  They certainly didn't do anything in Egypt.  That was strictly organic.  And erdogan is in no danger from the CIA at all.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: zappaisgod]
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Help the poor "refugee" women and children fleeing Syria, not really the case.

https://www.rt.com/news/343753-germany-refugees-males-statistics/

"Three quarters of refugees who entered Germany in 2015 are males, two thirds younger than 33 years old, with low working experience, a new study by the German national immigration service says"

"Most males, seen by country" come from Pakistan, followed by Afghans, Syrians, Eritreans, and Iraqis"

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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https://www.rt.com/news/343694-human-trafficking-eu-migrants-children/

When people push for this free for all chaos, you end up with outcomes like the above.

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