Bubbles85 said:

Malkuthian said:

Halal-slaughter requires stunned animals.

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This statement does not appear to be accurate. I've been looking into EU-wide animal welfare legislation, which insists that pre-stunning must be done, apart from on the occasions religious slaughter is carried out.

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qman said:

airclay said:

qman said:

"white folks receiving the most benefits"

It would only makes sense because whites are over 70% of the US population, also because US citizens are legally entitled to receive those benefits.

"illegal immigrants do pay in"

Hardly enough relative to the amount they consume in tax revenue, when a demographic uses 8 TIMES more in tax revenue than they contribute, they are a massive financial burden.

"now is allow it's citizens refugee status"

Not gonna happen, in fact quite the opposite is likely to happen as the border will be sealed and illegals start getting deported.

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we've dumped that bullshit claim once already about the 8x more usage. try another one.

I like that you chose that tho instead of trying to defend actions south of the border and pretend it's not the fault of our politics. Either you understand that we've destroyed the quality of life south of the border or that white chip just had to get out those points

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"we've destroyed the quality of life south of the border"

Total nonsense, if Mexico didn't border the US it would be in even worst shape.

Where would they be if US companies didn't create millions of Mexican jobs? http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/1037900-jobs-deficit-us-created-16x-many-jobs-mexico-mexico-us

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/12/nafta-job-loss-trade-deficit-epi_n_859983.html

Mexican's need to use legal immigration to live in the US, now that Trump is going to become President things are going to change on this issue, the free ride is over.

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airclay said:

qman said:

airclay said:

qman said:

"white folks receiving the most benefits"

It would only makes sense because whites are over 70% of the US population, also because US citizens are legally entitled to receive those benefits.

"illegal immigrants do pay in"

Hardly enough relative to the amount they consume in tax revenue, when a demographic uses 8 TIMES more in tax revenue than they contribute, they are a massive financial burden.

"now is allow it's citizens refugee status"

Not gonna happen, in fact quite the opposite is likely to happen as the border will be sealed and illegals start getting deported.

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we've dumped that bullshit claim once already about the 8x more usage. try another one.

I like that you chose that tho instead of trying to defend actions south of the border and pretend it's not the fault of our politics. Either you understand that we've destroyed the quality of life south of the border or that white chip just had to get out those points

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"we've destroyed the quality of life south of the border"

Total nonsense, if Mexico didn't border the US it would be in even worst shape.

Where would they be if US companies didn't create millions of Mexican jobs? http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/1037900-jobs-deficit-us-created-16x-many-jobs-mexico-mexico-us

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/12/nafta-job-loss-trade-deficit-epi_n_859983.html

Mexican's need to use legal immigration to live in the US, now that Trump is going to become President things are going to change on this issue, the free ride is over.

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oh but do we count piss poor jobs that offer nothing but terrible conditions and wages in factories? where in labor union presidents are murdered one after the next. because that is under no conditions better shape than farming or growing a strong middle class from fair wages. how do we start to factor in the the armies supported by an american black market and often corrupt foreign and american officials? How do you factor in the multiple u.s. coup's that reversed direction of governments against popular sentiment and all leaving the countries absolutely fucked?

south of the border does not solely mean "mexicans", please review what south of the border means and how my statement applies.

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qman said:

The jobs are better than what they originally had in the first place, which was unemployment and very low wages.

"corrupt foreign and American officials"

Yep, people in government are corrupt, what else is new?

"against popular sentiment"

Like many issues in the US?  What else is new?

Most countries south of the border have corrupt governments and there's some degree of US accountability for that corruption, I can agree with that thesis.

What I can't agree with is the belief that US citizens must give up their sovereignty as a result!!

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qman said:

German citizens chase Minister of Justice out of town.

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airclay said:

your idea of entitled sovereignty is gross at best.

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zappaisgod said:

airclay said:

your idea of entitled sovereignty is gross at best.

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"Entitled sovereignty?"  Where did you come up with this stunning bit of stupidity?  Every nation protects its sovereignty.  Mexico has tougher immigration laws than we do.

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airclay said:

zappaisgod said:

airclay said:

your idea of entitled sovereignty is gross at best.

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"Entitled sovereignty?"  Where did you come up with this stunning bit of stupidity?  Every nation protects its sovereignty.  Mexico has tougher immigration laws than we do.

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in the manner in which qman uses it. the way in which people feel that personal sovereignty in their white american worlds should be protected and always just stay that. when lookin at sovereignty on a personal scale to make claims about some perceived slight by a foreign individual, that's entitled. Because sovereignty at that level is not earned or gained but simply gifted through birth.

how did you get so old and so dumb? use your context clues.

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"personal sovereignty in their white American worlds should be protected"

Yeah, because blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and Indians don't value their US sovereignty.

"sovereignty is not earned or gained but simply gifted through birth"

What a stupid argument, sovereignty is passed on, so what?  That doesn't mean the reasons for a nation's sovereignty are baseless or the citizens are "entitled" because of it.

Every nation has immigration laws and borders, that's not an entitlement, it's basic commonsense.

Malkuthian said:

Bubbles85 said:

Malkuthian said:

Halal-slaughter requires stunned animals.

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This statement does not appear to be accurate. I've been looking into EU-wide animal welfare legislation, which insists that pre-stunning must be done, apart from on the occasions religious slaughter is carried out.

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Sorry, i was continuing on my previous post, talking about the situation in Sweden only.
And I am suggesting the same solution for all other countries:
define the root problem (animals suffering) and create laws to prevent that problem and not laws to stop something that "generally" lead to suffering. A law against causing suffering is enough... There's No need to bring halal specifically into that.

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Given the continuing coverage of migrant crises (9 April, p 29), and more occasional coverage of the economic importance of the arms industry, further thought could be given to representing the linkage between the two. A measure of refugees per kiloton (RPK) might record the number of refugees from a country per kiloton of explosive to which it is exposed.

This statistical innovation could also provide a connection between the role of countries engaging in bombardment and the numbers of incoming refugees. It may even focus debate on an equivalent to the “polluter pays” principle: “bomber pays” reframes financial responsibility for the integration of refugees.

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Tipote said:

I haven't caught up with the halal discussion yet.. just wanted to share this as I thought it was an interesting idea..

How to measure the refugee crisis?

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Given the continuing coverage of migrant crises (9 April, p 29), and more occasional coverage of the economic importance of the arms industry, further thought could be given to representing the linkage between the two. A measure of refugees per kiloton (RPK) might record the number of refugees from a country per kiloton of explosive to which it is exposed.

This statistical innovation could also provide a connection between the role of countries engaging in bombardment and the numbers of incoming refugees. It may even focus debate on an equivalent to the “polluter pays” principle: “bomber pays” reframes financial responsibility for the integration of refugees.

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viktor said:

So, who thinks World War III (Judeo-Christianity vs. Islam) is going to be the result of this?

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