akira_akuma said:

nice try? you ---... ISIS = Islamic STATE = North Africa's ISLAMIC STATE

go away Qman. you're drunk. go away before i kick you to the curb.

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Tipote said:

Its interesting to see the manufactured antisemitism scandal at the moment in the UK when islamophobia is such an accepted norm. The double standards are amazing.

Did anyone see this.. ?

Britain First ‘Invade’ Halal Slaughterhouse

They are such fucking idiots.

1 positive thing is that these fucktards will not get any significant number of votes in the london mayoral election.

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qman said:

akira_akuma said:

nice try? you ---... ISIS = Islamic STATE = North Africa's ISLAMIC STATE

go away Qman. you're drunk. go away before i kick you to the curb.

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The fact that there's instability in shitty parts of the world does NOT mean people from third world countries are legally allowed to enter developed nations.

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Bubbles85 said:

Bigot? For one, I suggest you STFU with your false opinions and two, why the fuck would any one bring up equal rights for women, when we're discussing the slaughtering of animals?

You have no idea how i feel about woman's rights. You've just fabricated some BS in true retard form and convinced your self that what you believe must be true.

Every thing you've just stated above, is the most retarded shit I've seen you say.

You're clearly basing your opinions on false beliefs, so again, STFU ...

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The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

akira_akuma said:

nice try? you ---... ISIS = Islamic STATE = North Africa's ISLAMIC STATE

go away Qman. you're drunk. go away before i kick you to the curb.

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The fact that there's instability in shitty parts of the world does NOT mean people from third world countries are legally allowed to enter developed nations.

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Legality =/= morality

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Malkuthian said:

I don't know the situation where your at but in Sweden Muslims has agreed to anesthesia during slaughter.
This means animals are anesthetized, then killed. I.e they do not feel pain during death in either case, Halal or not.

Compared to how chicken normally are killed in Sweden, basically the only difference with Halal is the direction of the head of the chicken when it's killed. It's retarded to care about such things, but it's hardly a problem.

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

akira_akuma said:

nice try? you ---... ISIS = Islamic STATE = North Africa's ISLAMIC STATE

go away Qman. you're drunk. go away before i kick you to the curb.

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The fact that there's instability in shitty parts of the world does NOT mean people from third world countries are legally allowed to enter developed nations.

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Legality =/= morality

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The real world is a little more complicated than "it's the right thing to do". Didn't your college professors make the distinction between theoretical classroom land and reality?

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qman said:

airclay said:

qman said:

That's completely irrelevant, the average US citizen does NOT want illegals flooding into their communities, they don't use fiscal conservatism as a "smokescreen" for their rational, this is their genuine sentiment.

Even Trump never has brought up the fiscal aspect of illegal immigration other than the elite flooding the labor markets with cheap labor.

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gotdamn tho that's the issue. what you're explaining is a mis-education or maybe even ignorance into a belief that what they're pushing for is actually connected. 'cause when you look up the tired old welfare numbers it shows white folks receiving the most benefits and illegal immigrants do pay in; tells a diff story.

( http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/04/16/Study-Finds-Illegal-Immigrants-Pay-118B-Taxes )

what you could do is when you've de-stabilized a region for almost 70yrs now is allow it's citizens refugee status as they're squeezed between criminal armies, corrupt officials or dying in factories at the hands of american trade agreements and political action.

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"white folks receiving the most benefits"

It would only makes sense because whites are over 70% of the US population, also because US citizens are legally entitled to receive those benefits.

"illegal immigrants do pay in"

Hardly enough relative to the amount they consume in tax revenue, when a demographic uses 8 TIMES more in tax revenue than they contribute, they are a massive financial burden.

"now is allow it's citizens refugee status"

Not gonna happen, in fact quite the opposite is likely to happen as the border will be sealed and illegals start getting deported.

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we've dumped that bullshit claim once already about the 8x more usage. try another one.

I like that you chose that tho instead of trying to defend actions south of the border and pretend it's not the fault of our politics. Either you understand that we've destroyed the quality of life south of the border or that white chip just had to get out those points

airclay said:

qman said:

airclay said:

qman said:

That's completely irrelevant, the average US citizen does NOT want illegals flooding into their communities, they don't use fiscal conservatism as a "smokescreen" for their rational, this is their genuine sentiment.

Even Trump never has brought up the fiscal aspect of illegal immigration other than the elite flooding the labor markets with cheap labor.

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gotdamn tho that's the issue. what you're explaining is a mis-education or maybe even ignorance into a belief that what they're pushing for is actually connected. 'cause when you look up the tired old welfare numbers it shows white folks receiving the most benefits and illegal immigrants do pay in; tells a diff story.

( http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/04/16/Study-Finds-Illegal-Immigrants-Pay-118B-Taxes )

what you could do is when you've de-stabilized a region for almost 70yrs now is allow it's citizens refugee status as they're squeezed between criminal armies, corrupt officials or dying in factories at the hands of american trade agreements and political action.

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"white folks receiving the most benefits"

It would only makes sense because whites are over 70% of the US population, also because US citizens are legally entitled to receive those benefits.

"illegal immigrants do pay in"

Hardly enough relative to the amount they consume in tax revenue, when a demographic uses 8 TIMES more in tax revenue than they contribute, they are a massive financial burden.

"now is allow it's citizens refugee status"

Not gonna happen, in fact quite the opposite is likely to happen as the border will be sealed and illegals start getting deported.

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we've dumped that bullshit claim once already about the 8x more usage. try another one.

I like that you chose that tho instead of trying to defend actions south of the border and pretend it's not the fault of our politics. Either you understand that we've destroyed the quality of life south of the border or that white chip just had to get out those points

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Bubbles85 said:

Malkuthian said:

I don't know the situation where your at but in Sweden Muslims has agreed to anesthesia during slaughter.
This means animals are anesthetized, then killed. I.e they do not feel pain during death in either case, Halal or not.

Compared to how chicken normally are killed in Sweden, basically the only difference with Halal is the direction of the head of the chicken when it's killed. It's retarded to care about such things, but it's hardly a problem.

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I've been doing some research on the subject. It seems that the majority of animals are actually stunned before slaughter, which is fine. But a very large percentage are not.

Its the ones which are not, that i don't believe is humane.

Sharp rise in halal abattoirs slaughtering animals without stunning them first

I mean shit, I eat meat, I fucking love meat. Just kill them humanely

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Malkuthian said:

Halal-slaughter requires stunned animals.

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Quote:

Method of killing

5.  Any person who kills a sheep, goat or bovine animal in accordance with religious rites without prior stunning must—

(a)ensure it is killed by the severance of both its carotid arteries and jugular veins by rapid, uninterrupted movements of a hand-held knife; and

(b)immediately before killing, inspect the knife to be used to ensure it is—

(i)undamaged; and

(ii)of sufficient size and sharpness to kill the sheep, goat or bovine animal in the manner described in sub-paragraph (a).

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Quote:

You must stun all animals before you slaughter them unless an animal is being religiously slaughtered for halal or kosher meat.

You must meet all of the following requirements for halal and kosher religious slaughter:

    it must take place in a slaughterhouse (abattoir) approved by the Food Standards Agency (FSA)
    it must be done by someone who has a certificate of competence (CoC)
    the slaughter must be done in a way that follows Jewish or Islamic religious practice
    the meat must be intended for consumption by Jews or Muslims

You can only carry out religious slaughter of:

    cattle (and all bovine animals, including calves)
    sheep
    goats
    birds (chickens, turkeys, ducks, guinea fowl, geese or quails)

Requirements to slaughter for kosher meat

To perform shechita (Jewish religious slaughter), you must:

    be a Jew
    have a licence to perform shechita from the Rabbinical Commission for the Licensing of Shochetim

Requirements to slaughter for halal meat

You must be a Muslim to slaughter animals for halal meat.
Slaughter for Qurbani

The same rules apply if you’re slaughtering an animal for Qurbani (Udhia) as for any type of halal slaughter.
Things to check before slaughter

Before you slaughter any animal (including birds), you must check the knife is undamaged. It must be sharp and large enough for the animal being slaughtered

For any animal, you must keep the back-up stunning equipment close to the restraining equipment so that it can be used immediately when an animal:

    experiences avoidable pain, suffering or agitation
    has been injured

Restrain and slaughter cattle

You must restrain the animal upright in an approved restraining pen before it’s slaughtered.

The FSA must check and approve your pen before you use it for the religious slaughter of cattle.

If the FSA or a Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) minister has previously approved your pen to restrain cattle for religious slaughter, you don’t need to get new approval. If you modify a pen that’s already been approved, you must get it approved again.

You must only put the animal in the pen immediately before you’re ready to slaughter it, to avoid unnecessary stress or discomfort for the animal.

You must make sure your restraining pen:

    is kept in good working order
    is checked and maintained according to the manufacturer’s instructions
    doesn’t cause any avoidable pain, suffering or injury to animals

Restraining pens for cattle must:

    effectively restrain an animal
    have a head restraint
    have a support to take the weight of the animal during slaughter
    permit only one animal to enter
    confine an animal without discomfort
    prevent an animal from making any large movements forwards, backwards or sideways when it’s restrained

Restrain and slaughter sheep and goats

To slaughter a sheep or goat, you must:

    restrain animals individually
    use mechanical restraining equipment
    only kill one animal at a time
    only put an animal in restraining equipment when you’re ready to kill it

You must ensure that restraining equipment is:

    checked and maintained according to the manufacturer’s instructions
    only used in the way described in the manufacturer’s instructions

Restraining methods you must never use

You must never restrain an animal by:

    clamping or tying its legs or feet
    severing its spinal cord
    immobilising it with electrical stunning equipment or any device that gives an electric shock
    suspending or hoisting a conscious animal

Bleeding

For any animal (including birds), you must use:

    a hand-held knife that’s sharp and large enough for the animal you’re slaughtering
    rapid, uninterrupted movements of the knife

Cattle, sheep and goats

You must cut both an animal’s carotid arteries and its jugular veins.
Birds

You must cut both carotid arteries.
Check for unconsciousness and signs of life

After bleeding any animal (including birds) and waiting the required amount of time, you must check that the animal is unconscious. Check the standard operating procedures for your slaughterhouse to find out how to do this.

After you bleed cattle, sheep or goats, the animal must not be moved by either you or your equipment until the animal is unconscious and you’ve waited at least:

    30 seconds for cattle
    20 seconds for sheep or goats

After you bleed a bird, you or your equipment must restrain it and wait at least:

    2 minutes for turkeys or geese
    90 seconds for any other bird

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