The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

howsyournaggerdoin said:

I really dont see how this makes your case when the majority (52%) thinks that they do

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Almost half of the population having a problem with a minority demographic is a huge number, even if it was 20% it would be alarmingly high, you don't think that's a massive issue?

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50% of Americans think the earth is 6,000 years old, yet we're the innovation hub. Lucky for civilization, we dont hitch our wagons to the ignorant.

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Believing that a certain demographic doesn't integrate well into a culture does not mean that sentiment is based in ignorance.

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You should be a ballerina, the way you tiptoe around "we dont want them muslims here" is just pure art.


Homogenization is coming, we can either stomp our feet about it or figure out WHY millions of immigrants are flooding to the west.

1. whats wrong with these peoples' homelands? and why?
2. what is the west's culpability in those problems?
3. what is the west's responsibility in facilitating a solution?
4. what IS the solution?


These are the questions that need to be asked, and answers discussed. Not demagoguery from right wing opportunists, and their fearful underlings.

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Flooding the EU with millions of more third world people isn't inevitable by any means. Polices in the EU are rapidly changing to make sure that doesn't happen.

The West should help from a distance and it looks like that's going to be the last solution to the problem. 

The large majority of these "refugees" are from "stable" countries that are trying to live in a developed nation, but nonsense is coming to a quick end.

circastes said:

I think it's weird if you "support" ethnic mixing. Also, what gives you the right? Obviously personalities and behaviours come from the genes. Obviously... what are you thinking, in implying mixing a native population with foreigners of a different genetic background is going to be fine and jolly and change nothing, except shades of skin colour?

I also think any girl with talent who goes with a guy with little to no talent on the basis of raunchy interracial feelings, is really racist and thinks she is being degraded and objectified by what she secretly thinks is an inferior mate.

I find it hard to really say or think anything about white-asian mixing though, because both races are high calibre, and it's historically proven.

Anyway. 2c.

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The Ecstatic said:

So which is it.

A. Radical muslims taking advantage in order to bring jihad to europe

or

B. migrants fleeing islamic jihad in order to live in a stable productive society

Its an obvious "both," but to what degree? Are we just gonna sequester the third world (after creating it) until entire continents die off?

This refugee crisis isnt a muslim problem or a Syrian problem, its a humanity problem.

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akira_akuma said:

The West isn't just you and your kith and kin, or your coalition. we have a vote.

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WAN said:

akira_akuma said:

The West isn't just you and your kith and kin, or your coalition. we have a vote.

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We only vote to elect public officials.  We dont vote on whether to help the world.

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akira_akuma said:

WAN said:

akira_akuma said:

The West isn't just you and your kith and kin, or your coalition. we have a vote.

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We only vote to elect public officials.  We dont vote on whether to help the world.

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you have a vote to elect your representative. your representative represents you, as a voter. you have a say, just like the rest of the electorate.

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WAN said:

The Ecstatic said:

So which is it.

A. Radical muslims taking advantage in order to bring jihad to europe

or

B. migrants fleeing islamic jihad in order to live in a stable productive society

Its an obvious "both," but to what degree? Are we just gonna sequester the third world (after creating it) until entire continents die off?

This refugee crisis isnt a muslim problem or a Syrian problem, its a humanity problem.

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The West is not morally obligated to solve the world's problems (though tipote will disagree).

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The Ecstatic said:

WAN said:

The Ecstatic said:

So which is it.

A. Radical muslims taking advantage in order to bring jihad to europe

or

B. migrants fleeing islamic jihad in order to live in a stable productive society

Its an obvious "both," but to what degree? Are we just gonna sequester the third world (after creating it) until entire continents die off?

This refugee crisis isnt a muslim problem or a Syrian problem, its a humanity problem.

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The West is not morally obligated to solve the world's problems (though tipote will disagree).

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not if they bear no responsibility.


But i think any sane person can admit the west bears at least some responsibility for the current middle east. And if you cause a problem to some degree, you should solve it to some degree. Whats wrong with that?

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which the people elected.

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Also, I take issue with the solution that you support, which is the importing of refugees into the West.  Why cant we help them from a distance?

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Man I wish I could get away with a 10th the shit a bank gets away with

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elax420 said:

I'm actually with WAN on this.


The working man always gets fucked for things they played little to no part in causing. Perfect example our financial crisis in the US. The fines the banks that caused it just winding up writing it off as a tax deduction. Man I wish I could get away with a 10th the shit a bank gets away with

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elax420 said:

The illusion is that the banks haven't broken any rules since 07 but chase hs been fined 36b and payed out 9.



Republicans love to bitch about welfare, yet they never mention corporate welfar

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