WAN said:

Malkuthian said:

Bringing up drug use is an even better argument.
Your on a hot streak now man!

So far we got:

1. Muslims don't look like us, so they cant intergrenate.

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He's right on this, though.  You left-wingers and liberals can whine all you want about how different-looking foreigners SHOULD be able to integrate, however the fact of matter is that they can't and won't.  People like to draw a line between the in-group and the out-group.  This is ingrained in us, it's human nature.

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says the white supremacist asian who is an immigrant in Canada..

qman said:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-turkey-germany-idUSKCN0XK0BS

"Germany is seeking the creation of 'safe zones' to shelter refugees in Syria, Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Saturday, an idea Turkey has long championed in the fact of U.N. caution."

Germany is clearly changing policy here due to political pressure, this is something they should have done over a year ago, keep these people safe in their own region of the world.

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qman said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36130000

"Fewer North African migrants enter Germany"

The party is coming to an end for these migrants, Germany is declaring their nations "safe" now, again Germany is changing policy very quickly.

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qman said:

Hey Tip, is this the love fest you're dreaming about in the EU? 

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qman said:

akira_akuma said:

refugees seeking asylum is not a matter of legality -- it's chartered -- you accept war-torn refugees because of the nature of the problem.

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You're missing the point, they're not "war-torn refugees". Germany is starting to clean house, get with the times. The UN can't enforce shit and is therefore irrelevant.

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WAN said:

Tipote said:

It was St. George's day yesterday. the patron saint of England...and he was Palestinian/Turkish/Syrian.

There is a lot more than qman is willing to admit that connect us culturally to the middle east - the birth place of the abrahamic religions.

and he will never accept that foreigners can contribute to societies. OF COURSE there is a burdensome transition period and by no means will it be easy. This should give us incentive to streamline our integration mechanisms. In the US, I know there is a very well developed Syrian-American community/diaspora who are fully integrated. It exists too in Europe and is developing.

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I dont understand why you so much want there to be immigrants in the West and further you want them integrated.  Have you thought about the fact that some people might reject this proposal?  That there are people in the West who don't want third-world immigrants in their countries?  Do you simply ignore these people and their opposing views and just impose your will on them, because they are "racists"/"bigots"..etc etc so their voices and opinions mean nothing to you?

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Tipote said:

WAN said:

Tipote said:

It was St. George's day yesterday. the patron saint of England...and he was Palestinian/Turkish/Syrian.

There is a lot more than qman is willing to admit that connect us culturally to the middle east - the birth place of the abrahamic religions.

and he will never accept that foreigners can contribute to societies. OF COURSE there is a burdensome transition period and by no means will it be easy. This should give us incentive to streamline our integration mechanisms. In the US, I know there is a very well developed Syrian-American community/diaspora who are fully integrated. It exists too in Europe and is developing.

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I dont understand why you so much want there to be immigrants in the West and further you want them integrated.  Have you thought about the fact that some people might reject this proposal?  That there are people in the West who don't want third-world immigrants in their countries?  Do you simply ignore these people and their opposing views and just impose your will on them, because they are "racists"/"bigots"..etc etc so their voices and opinions mean nothing to you?

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it is a minority of people that don't ever want to mix with any foreigners.

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Tipote said:

WAN said:

Malkuthian said:

Bringing up drug use is an even better argument.
Your on a hot streak now man!

So far we got:

1. Muslims don't look like us, so they cant intergrenate.

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He's right on this, though.  You left-wingers and liberals can whine all you want about how different-looking foreigners SHOULD be able to integrate, however the fact of matter is that they can't and won't.  People like to draw a line between the in-group and the out-group.  This is ingrained in us, it's human nature.

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says the white supremacist asian who is an immigrant in Canada..

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Tipote said:

WAN said:

Tipote said:

It was St. George's day yesterday. the patron saint of England...and he was Palestinian/Turkish/Syrian.

There is a lot more than qman is willing to admit that connect us culturally to the middle east - the birth place of the abrahamic religions.

and he will never accept that foreigners can contribute to societies. OF COURSE there is a burdensome transition period and by no means will it be easy. This should give us incentive to streamline our integration mechanisms. In the US, I know there is a very well developed Syrian-American community/diaspora who are fully integrated. It exists too in Europe and is developing.

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I dont understand why you so much want there to be immigrants in the West and further you want them integrated.  Have you thought about the fact that some people might reject this proposal?  That there are people in the West who don't want third-world immigrants in their countries?  Do you simply ignore these people and their opposing views and just impose your will on them, because they are "racists"/"bigots"..etc etc so their voices and opinions mean nothing to you?

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it is a minority of people that don't ever want to mix with any foreigners.

the main issue the majority of people are concerned about is the vast numbers of people involved, it is not that there are foreigners in our societies.

its a reality of the world we live in that families are formed over the entire globe. I have more than two "races" in my family and that is true for many all over the world. Its a reality that global movement happens, a focus on effective integration is surely a significant priority.

I don't think I even said I want tons of people coming to Europe. I think the UK immigration situation is out of control and that is true for most of Europe, but that doesn't mean i think we should reject everyone. Refugees for example should be accepted. I call instead for a well organised immigration and integration mechanism because it is only in your, and qman's, head that ethnically "pure" states are an ideal.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

akira_akuma said:

refugees seeking asylum is not a matter of legality -- it's chartered -- you accept war-torn refugees because of the nature of the problem.

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You're missing the point, they're not "war-torn refugees". Germany is starting to clean house, get with the times. The UN can't enforce shit and is therefore irrelevant.

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qman said:

akira_akuma said:

the refugees are exactly that, war-torn. whatever else you're talking about, is obviously not the same thing. i'm talking about refugees. maybe you might be talking about Muslims in general, in Germany...but not me.

sing to me your pink flowering thorn, Qman. you never asked to be born. but it's ok, you'll live.

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You obviously never read the links I posted or the point of them in the first place.

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How are they not war torn refugees in the majority? You haven't shown any credible statistics to back that up

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howsyournaggerdoin said:

Right now the two most liberal parties (Grüne & Linke) are gaining percentages.

http://www.forschungsgruppe.de/Aktuelles/Politbarometer/

When asked if they think Muslims in germany respect the values of our constitution 52% answered yes and 41% answered no

When asked if they think Islam is incompatible with our constitution 63% answered no

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Tipote said:

qman said:

"can you provide the statistics these people are not fleeing war even if they're not from Syria?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html

"There are well-dressed Iranians speaking Farsi who insist they are members of the persecuted Yazidis of Iraq. There are Indians who don't speak Arabic but say they are from Damascus. There are Pakistanis, Albanians, Egyptians, Kosovars, Somalis and Tunisians from countries with plenty of poverty and violence, but no war."

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yes we have been over the idea that there are people that are not entitled to refugee status. No one is saying we should give it to economic migrants.
I didn't see any estimated numbers of how many are faking their way in so your link doesn't back up your claim that the majority are not fleeing war.

Syrians didn't want to leave their country, they didn't want to come to Europe, otherwise the migrant crisis would have happened in 2011.
The reason there is such a well established Syrian-American community in the diaspora is because they left to the US during the 80s when there was the uprising of Hama and the government was brutal in crushing it. They have integrated well into the US.

Quote:

"eventually tax revenues will be generated by the increased population"



No one is saying they won't generate some tax revenue, but point is they will receive multiples more than they contribute, that will still make them social leeches on the native population.

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Can you show me the statistic showing that they will receive multiples of what they and their families can EVER pay in taxes for the rest of their lives?

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howsyournaggerdoin said:

I really dont see how this makes your case when the majority (52%) thinks that they do

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qman said:

howsyournaggerdoin said:

I really dont see how this makes your case when the majority (52%) thinks that they do

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Almost half of the population having a problem with a minority demographic is a huge number, even if it was 20% it would be alarmingly high, you don't think that's a massive issue?

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The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

howsyournaggerdoin said:

I really dont see how this makes your case when the majority (52%) thinks that they do

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Almost half of the population having a problem with a minority demographic is a huge number, even if it was 20% it would be alarmingly high, you don't think that's a massive issue?

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50% of Americans think the earth is 6,000 years old, yet we're the innovation hub. Lucky for civilization, we dont hitch our wagons to the ignorant.

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Believing that a certain demographic doesn't integrate well into a culture does not mean that sentiment is based in ignorance.

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

howsyournaggerdoin said:

I really dont see how this makes your case when the majority (52%) thinks that they do

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Almost half of the population having a problem with a minority demographic is a huge number, even if it was 20% it would be alarmingly high, you don't think that's a massive issue?

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50% of Americans think the earth is 6,000 years old, yet we're the innovation hub. Lucky for civilization, we dont hitch our wagons to the ignorant.

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Believing that a certain demographic doesn't integrate well into a culture does not mean that sentiment is based in ignorance.

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Tipote said:

Blair's New Labour in the UK hijacked the support of the left and sold out.

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What about Labour under Corbyn? They've just had to suspend a Muslim MP for Anti Semitic comments on social media and another for defending her comments

Ken Livingstone suspended by Labour after saying Hitler was a Zionist

The Labour party have got no fucking chance of gaining power in the near future after Blair. Party of the working class my ass .. They destroyed the working class community's in the UK, with their commitment too mass immigration.

What don't people understand, about mass immigration affecting the working class more than any one else?