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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
WAN said:
I know that they own the companies, however they don't really do anything.  The grunt work is done by the regular employees and the running of the companies is done by the CEOs.  The share-holders literally do jack.


A company can exist without workers.  It cannot exist without owners.  They provide the capital.  Without capital there is no company.


Although communism(I swear my spell check changed that to capitalism WTF) failed, I question whether a free trade society could exist or not. One where people were given a certain amount of something. A free house, free groceries, free car every time the old one couldn't be fixed anymore, free amount of certain supplies, you can eat at a restaurant once a day for free, free beer up to a point etc. It sounds like communism, except communism was a rip off.

Imagine if instead though you were just hooked up with tons of free shit but still limited. With one condition. You had to show up and work. In this situation the only thing that would matter is if the work got done. In a world of survival if you needed to chop wood it wouldn't matter if it was "sold" or not it would only matter if you could get it chopped before you freeze.

Investing is only a representation of of who has what and who can put up for it. It appears that the person willing to spend is "so generous" because anyone can play the game. People do new business start ups and invest their life then go work at the business they started, and it looks completely different from the veteran game. The veteran game is different. The veteran game is a game of chess and everybody bets what. You have this thing in this country called interest and with it you can do anything. If I wanted I could charge $800.00 for a pizza if someone was "willing to pay for it" and call it supply and demand.

There is no fair equivalent exchange of resources, not even a loose margin in this country. What there are are taxes and regulations up the ass. If capital truly represented what you have, if it was just a tally system. Numbers representing paper though being "malleable" and the option to change those numbers if the bigger parties play their game and trade a few numbers and fix some charts is not a tally system it's a manipulation. One person in the system is worth the number 3, and the other person is worth the number 60,000,000,000. That is not fair, it's not democracy, it's just bullshit.


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Edited by imachavel (04/25/16 10:54 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: imachavel]
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/25/politics/us-intel-official-isis-uk-germany-italy/

"America's top intelligence officer, James Clapper, said Monday that ISIS has clandestine cells in the United Kingdom, Germany, and Italy"

"Frank Cilluffo, director of George Washington University's Center for Cyber and Homeland Security, told CNN that all of Europe faces the threat of ISIS-linked operations infiltrating the refugee flow"

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN] * 2
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WAN said:
zappaisgod said:
Who is greedier?  The person who wants to keep the fruit of his own labors or the person who wants to take the fruit of another person's labors?

 
What about share-holders of major corporations? They do nothing and just profit off of the labor of their employees.


:thatsaten:

zappaisgod said:
WAN said:
zappaisgod said:
They do nothing?  They own the fucking company.  They do everything.  No owners, no company.


The grunt work is done by the regular employees...  The share-holders literally do jack.


A company can exist without workers.  It cannot exist without owners.


I'd love to test your theory out on ANY company.  Send the shareholders to the gulag and see how well the company runs.  Then remove the workers and see how well the company runs.

I think we both know damn well which scenario would run the company better.  :smirk:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36152927

"Austria has passed a controversial new law that restricts the right of asylum and allows most claimants to be rejected at the border...The new asylum law lets the government declare a 'state of emergency' over the migrant crisis and reject most asylum-seekers, including those from war-torn countries such as Syria. It also limits any successful asylum claim to three years"

Looks like the free for all party is coming to an end.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 3
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Remember when all the white nationalist groups were praising Marine le pen and saying how she was gonna win the election, then she got her ass handed to her :lol:


BNP is the laughingstock of England, and Syriza still has a stranglehold on Greece, and only the dumbest of Greeks who forget they also went to concentration camps (and that their nationalist God Metaxas was overthrown by hitler) support their local nazi party.


175 pages of the rise of the far right, but man very little to show for it........

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420] * 1
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Haha, thanks Fal.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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No seriously tell me where the far right is rising?

Hungary, Ukraine? Nice one Schengen country

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420] * 1
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The far right is increasing in all of Europe...
Are you saying it's not so? Or are you trying to have a semantic discussion regarding "Rise of"?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Where? Name one major country where they have significant political sway.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
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Maybe they are not "there" yet but they are getting there.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said:
Where? Name one major country where they have significant political sway.


Read the thread and learn something.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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Nice response, you can't name a single one :lol:


like I already said the major parties (BNP, golden dawn, nation front) have no sway and the leader of the euro  far-right, la pen did terribly in the last elections in France. If she can't win in the wake of major terrorist attacks she isn't viable bro

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said:
No seriously tell me where the far right is rising?

Hungary, Ukraine? Nice one Schengen country


Shocking march of the far-right across Europe as migration fears reach fever pitch

Read that. The far right are now so powerful in some European country's, that they actually hold the balance of power and enjoy the support of tens of millions of European voters ....

My bad, copied wrong link ... Try it now ...


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said:
Nice response, you can't name a single one :lol:


like I already said the major parties (BNP, golden dawn, nation front) have no sway and the leader of the euro  far-right, la pen did terribly in the last elections in France. If she can't win in the wake of major terrorist attacks she isn't viable bro


Do you have any idea why Germany and Merkel have made radical changes in their "refugee" policy the last 2-3 months? Are you even aware of that fact in the first place?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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lol at the metamorphosis of this conversation where instead of arguing against their ideas being far-right, they've been accepted as such and are simply being defended now

well I guess somebody finally learned something at least.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN] * 1
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WAN said:
Maybe they are not "there" yet but they are getting there.


And if we can learn anything from history its that things started out leftist and progressive, and have consistently been moving to the right ever since.

:braindamage:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
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The right only rises periodically out of fear.

Its a steady march left otherwise.


Prove me wrong.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420] * 1
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elax420 said:
Nice response, you can't name a single one :lol:


like I already said the major parties (BNP, golden dawn, nation front) have no sway and the leader of the euro  far-right, la pen did terribly in the last elections in France. If she can't win in the wake of major terrorist attacks she isn't viable bro


Austria, Denmark, Swedan, Finland, Slovakia, Hungary, France, Germany, Italy to name a few.

Absolutely, its not to say that the far right is the dominant force in all of these countries but in most, they are becoming increasingly influential. In some of these countries they are the main opposition and support is absolutely on the rise.

That is not to say that the left is not rising to but I would personally call it a reemergence of the left. The left in Europe is stronger than in the US by far but it has been sidelined for decades now. Blair's New Labour in the UK hijacked the support of the left and sold out.
While some right wing groups are still not influential, we should not be complacent. France should not be complacent about Le Pen, the mainstream parties are naive and complacent in thinking a hatred of the FN will ensure that the mainstream parties will be voted for instead. This assumption is dangerous. I know very well that the support in France for Le Pen's retards is growing but it is the castrated left that needs to reemerge to provide the alternative in the wake of the decline of the mainstream parties. 

Syriza and Podemos are weak alone and as we have seen they have struggled to pave the way but I still have faith in the reemergence of the left.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
Tipote said:
viktor said:
Tipote said:
I don't know what planet you live on or how deep your fingers are in your ears but its already happened and already happening. There are muslims at the height of our societies.

So do you think that anyone that isn't white is therefore incapable of ever integrating? interesting.. :lol::crazy2::eek:


The Jews had about 1,900 years of integration in Europe. Still, they were different enough to all get gassed AFTER 1,900 FREAKING YEARS!!!!

And you think that after 50 years of integration, European Muslims are just like native Europeans.

How is it that the Muslims have achieved in 50 years what the Jews could not manage in 1,900?


Perhaps I missed your logic. The people that thought the Jews were different enough to be gassed were not only wrong but fucking idiots and history has shown us that. Antisemitism and Islamophobia are promoted by elites and uneduated ignorant sheep listen.


Lmfao ... Yet Muslims have shown them selves to be more Anti Semitic than any other group living in Europe :lol:
Do you also consider these people to be uneducated, ignorant sheep??? ... Say any thing other than yes after what you've just stated above and your words are clearly BS ...


Yes, there are educated and ignorant sheep in all groups of society. There are racists/idiots on all sides. Not sure I got your point.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
"can you provide the statistics these people are not fleeing war even if they're not from Syria?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html

"There are well-dressed Iranians speaking Farsi who insist they are members of the persecuted Yazidis of Iraq. There are Indians who don't speak Arabic but say they are from Damascus. There are Pakistanis, Albanians, Egyptians, Kosovars, Somalis and Tunisians from countries with plenty of poverty and violence, but no war."


yes we have been over the idea that there are people that are not entitled to refugee status. No one is saying we should give it to economic migrants.
I didn't see any estimated numbers of how many are faking their way in so your link doesn't back up your claim that the majority are not fleeing war.

Syrians didn't want to leave their country, they didn't want to come to Europe, otherwise the migrant crisis would have happened in 2011.
The reason there is such a well established Syrian-American community in the diaspora is because they left to the US during the 80s when there was the uprising of Hama and the government was brutal in crushing it. They have integrated well into the US.

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"eventually tax revenues will be generated by the increased population"

:huxleyfacepalm:

No one is saying they won't generate some tax revenue, but point is they will receive multiples more than they contribute, that will still make them social leeches on the native population.


Can you show me the statistic showing that they will receive multiples of what they and their families can EVER pay in taxes for the rest of their lives?


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