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zappaisgod said:[/b
Which brings us right back around to "tough titties, dont go destroy a subcontinent and you wont have to reap the consequences."

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No one destroyed the places the large majority these "refugees" are coming from, they saw a open door and ran through it.

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And we opened it.

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By destroying their homes and the last multicultural semi-functional state in the ME.


I always hear right wingers claim slam is a death cult, I think they misspell capitalism, a system that is literally built upon the human suffering and inequality


#hastalavictoriasiempre!

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Capitalism is built on voluntary participation.  Socialism is not.  Islam is a death cult.  Try being a homo in an Islamic state.  Their idea of being stoned is vastly different from that if limpbrained Berkley nitwits

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I know right! Try being a homo is North Carolina it's likely to end the same way!
Voluntary participation, lol tell that to South America, Africa, and the slaves building the World Cup arenas in Qatar.

WAN said:

zappaisgod said:

akira_akuma said:

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Capitalism is built on voluntary participation.

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oh no, don't talk so dirty about your precious.

so...when is voluntary no-longer viable? nah. it'll never happen it's already happening greed greed greed greed

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Who is greedier?  The person who wants to keep the fruit of his own labors or the person who wants to take the fruit of another person's labors?  Is the grasshopper or the ant greedier?  The loser on welfare or the taxpayer who doesn't get shit?

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What about share-holders of major corporations? They do nothing and just profit off of the labor of their employees.

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zappaisgod said:

WAN said:

zappaisgod said:

akira_akuma said:

oh no, don't talk so dirty about your precious.

so...when is voluntary no-longer viable? nah. it'll never happen it's already happening greed greed greed greed

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Who is greedier?  The person who wants to keep the fruit of his own labors or the person who wants to take the fruit of another person's labors?  Is the grasshopper or the ant greedier?  The loser on welfare or the taxpayer who doesn't get shit?

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What about share-holders of major corporations? They do nothing and just profit off of the labor of their employees.

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They do nothing?  They own the fucking company.  They do everything.  No owners, no company.

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WAN said:

I know that they own the companies, however they don't really do anything.  The grunt work is done by the regular employees and the running of the companies is done by the CEOs.  The share-holders literally do jack.

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elax420 said:

Zappa out of his element and showing it. Shareholders don't own the company.

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They own a legal claim against the company. They own company debt which the corp uses to fund their capex. It's frequent for corporation to buy back shares in order to reduce D/E ratio. If there is no positive capex projects they don't issue new stock. If you have a Majority shareholder that owns more than 50%  that's how you get gutted mitt Romney style. Collectively all outstanding shares represent the companies debt but no one person owns a corporation or else it is t a corporation anymore.


Come on man the Marxist is schooling you on finance.

CEO doesn't equal owner.

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elax420 said:

Zappa out of his element and showing it. Shareholders don't own the company.

They own a legal claim against the company. They own company debt which the corp uses to fund their capex. It's frequent for corporation to buy back shares in order to reduce D/E ratio. If there is no positive capex projects they don't issue new stock. If you have a Majority shareholder that owns more than 50%  that's how you get gutted mitt Romney style. Collectively all outstanding shares represent the companies debt but no one person owns a corporation or else it is t a corporation anymore.


Come on man the Marxist is schooling you on finance.

CEO doesn't equal owner.

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zappaisgod said:

WAN said:

I know that they own the companies, however they don't really do anything.  The grunt work is done by the regular employees and the running of the companies is done by the CEOs.  The share-holders literally do jack.

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A company can exist without workers.  It cannot exist without owners.  They provide the capital.  Without capital there is no company.

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elax420 said:

That's a fallacy. Capital is just that, dead, you have to make it do something. That's where investors and finance guys come to play. You can buy the biggest nicest plant in all of the world but without workers you will be bankrupt in a short time.

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Evidently Zappa has never hear of a union.....

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qman said:

elax420 said:

Zappa out of his element and showing it. Shareholders don't own the company.

They own a legal claim against the company. They own company debt which the corp uses to fund their capex. It's frequent for corporation to buy back shares in order to reduce D/E ratio. If there is no positive capex projects they don't issue new stock. If you have a Majority shareholder that owns more than 50%  that's how you get gutted mitt Romney style. Collectively all outstanding shares represent the companies debt but no one person owns a corporation or else it is t a corporation anymore.


Come on man the Marxist is schooling you on finance.

CEO doesn't equal owner.

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Number one, you don't have a clue what your talking about, number two stop derailing this thread.

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elax420 said:

Simple equity holders have voting rights and face considerably more risk


Bonds are relatively low risk and do not have voting rights.

I don't have time to educate the uneducated.


Tim Cook is a majority shareholder of Aapl and the ceo

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akira_akuma said:

LOL Qman, shud up, you probably didn't go to college, which is fine, but don't use that as an excuse to berate someone who accomplished that, and then as an excuse to not "inform" someone of something you clearly know. now that is some ignorant shit. why don't you tell him what he is missing in his apparent conniption, and you know, don't just run away. he's in need of a good lesson from you, just look at him writhe....

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qman said:

akira_akuma said:

LOL Qman, shud up, you probably didn't go to college, which is fine, but don't use that as an excuse to berate someone who accomplished that, and then as an excuse to not "inform" someone of something you clearly know. now that is some ignorant shit. why don't you tell him what he is missing in his apparent conniption, and you know, don't just run away. he's in need of a good lesson from you, just look at him writhe....

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I'm sick of educating people on stuff and  getting nothing back in return, if he wants to learn about the subject he can go Google his heart out.  BTW, I graduated from college over 20 years ago.

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