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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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Germany handled things like they were meant to...after being belittled be nations like the US for their previous war crimes, what else do you expect them to do? of course they're going to be more liberal...they got put in that position.

of course, the situation, was handled horribly, in terms of the backlash.

and also, of course, if ISIS was handled earlier, and taken care of, before their exponential growth spurt, none of this would have happened. partially everyone's fault, in Europe.

qman said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36130000

"Fewer North African migrants enter Germany"

The party is coming to an end for these migrants, Germany is declaring their nations "safe" now, again Germany is changing policy very quickly.



and isn't that much better than starting clans to go and hunt Muslims down on the streets? what i'm saying is: at least that is a last resort...not a first, second, or third...no, a first resort would be to deal with the criminal elements like you would any other criminal element, and change the policy on the migrants entering, and whom is vetted, and how.

like is a typically natural course of action.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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Hey Tip, is this the love fest you're dreaming about in the EU?  :rofl2:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Hey Tip, is this the love fest you're dreaming about in the EU?  :rofl2:





those gorms are representative of the best that Christiandom has to offer, as well. :lol: same difference. shout at and berate those whom you hate based off old farmer literature from the desert. :smilingpuppy: but let's not admit this.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Germany handled things like they were meant to...after being belittled be nations like the US for their previous war crimes, what else do you expect them to do? of course they're going to be more liberal...they got put in that position.

of course, the situation, was handled horribly, in terms of the backlash.

and also, of course, if ISIS was handled earlier, and taken care of, before their exponential growth spurt, none of this would have happened. partially everyone's fault, in Europe.

qman said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36130000

"Fewer North African migrants enter Germany"

The party is coming to an end for these migrants, Germany is declaring their nations "safe" now, again Germany is changing policy very quickly.



and isn't that much better than starting clans to go and hunt Muslims down on the streets? what i'm saying is: at least that is a last resort...not a first, second, or third...no, a first resort would be to deal with the criminal elements like you would any other criminal element, and change the policy on the migrants entering, and whom is vetted, and how.

like is a typically natural course of action.



The natural course of action was to never let these people ILLEGALLY enter their country in the first place, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out it was going to turn into a shitfest in short order.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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refugees seeking asylum is not a matter of legality -- it's chartered -- you accept war-torn refugees because of the nature of the problem.

PS: if America ever gets a nuke dropped on them...head for the ocean. we won't help you. Mexico won't help you. just slough off in the waters.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
refugees seeking asylum is not a matter of legality -- it's chartered -- you accept war-torn refugees because of the nature of the problem.




You're missing the point, they're not "war-torn refugees". Germany is starting to clean house, get with the times. The UN can't enforce shit and is therefore irrelevant.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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the refugees are exactly that, war-torn. whatever else you're talking about, is obviously not the same thing. i'm talking about refugees. maybe you might be talking about Muslims in general, in Germany...but not me.

sing to me your pink flowering thorn, Qman. you never asked to be born. but it's ok, you'll live.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
the refugees are exactly that, war-torn. whatever else you're talking about, is obviously not the same thing. i'm talking about refugees. maybe you might be talking about Muslims in general, in Germany...but not me.

sing to me your pink flowering thorn, Qman. you never asked to be born. but it's ok, you'll live.



You obviously never read the links I posted or the point of them in the first place. :huxleyfacepalm:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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:blah: i don't need to refurbish my cranium with the same old dirt everytime you wanna speak.

they decided that areas in North Africa are safe? oh how noble.

doesn't mean diddly-squat to those whom are war-torn, however.

see, i can do the same shit, Qman...in fact, i already did...here, let me repeat: "PS: if America ever gets a nuke dropped on them...head for the ocean. we won't help you. Mexico won't help you. just slough off in the waters."

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
It was St. George's day yesterday. the patron saint of England...and he was Palestinian/Turkish/Syrian.

There is a lot more than qman is willing to admit that connect us culturally to the middle east - the birth place of the abrahamic religions.

and he will never accept that foreigners can contribute to societies. OF COURSE there is a burdensome transition period and by no means will it be easy. This should give us incentive to streamline our integration mechanisms. In the US, I know there is a very well developed Syrian-American community/diaspora who are fully integrated. It exists too in Europe and is developing.



I dont understand why you so much want there to be immigrants in the West and further you want them integrated.  Have you thought about the fact that some people might reject this proposal?  That there are people in the West who don't want third-world immigrants in their countries?  Do you simply ignore these people and their opposing views and just impose your will on them, because they are "racists"/"bigots"..etc etc so their voices and opinions mean nothing to you?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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people having a problem = relevant

people not liking other cultures because 'reasons' = idiotic, and not worth listening or communicating with such a person.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
people having a problem = relevant

people not liking other cultures because 'reasons' = idiotic, and not worth listening or communicating with such a person.



You are imposing your value system on other people by saying things like that.  You think someone who disagrees with you on racial politics is not to be taken into account.  This is prejudice on your part.  You are being intolerant.  You have an ego-centric point of view and you think your way is the "right" way, leaving no room for debate.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said:
The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
Which brings us right back around to "tough titties, dont go destroy a subcontinent and you wont have to reap the consequences."



No one destroyed the places the large majority these "refugees" are coming from, they saw a open door and ran through it.



And we opened it.



By destroying their homes and the last multicultural semi-functional state in the ME.


I always hear right wingers claim slam is a death cult, I think they misspell capitalism, a system that is literally built upon the human suffering and inequality


#hastalavictoriasiempre!



:lolsy:

Capitalism is built on voluntary participation.  Socialism is not.  Islam is a death cult.  Try being a homo in an Islamic state.  Their idea of being stoned is vastly different from that if limpbrained Berkley nitwits


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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i learned how to ignore people best by debating with Christians and republicans. at least most conservatives have some backbone, i'll say. love talking with them, most of the time; even if i'm being a drag, so to speak.

which on the shroomery...:imslow: is bound to happen.

but you know, you missed the point of what i said: you see, by not liking another culture for no reason other than you just don't like them, you proclaim yourself incapable of having a reasoned debate or discussion, and yet people like this are most vocal. it leads nowhere but a proliferation of inanity...some will buy one product, some the other...it's pointless pandering.

reason an actual thing to be concerned about, an actual problem -- then people can talk sensibly.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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Quote:
Capitalism is built on voluntary participation.



oh no, don't talk so dirty about your precious.

so...when is voluntary no-longer viable? :smirk: nah. it'll never happen it's already happening greed greed greed greed

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Quote:
Capitalism is built on voluntary participation.



oh no, don't talk so dirty about your precious.

so...when is voluntary no-longer viable? :smirk: nah. it'll never happen it's already happening greed greed greed greed



Who is greedier?  The person who wants to keep the fruit of his own labors or the person who wants to take the fruit of another person's labors?  Is the grasshopper or the ant greedier?  The loser on welfare or the taxpayer who doesn't get shit?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
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zappaisgod said:
akira_akuma said:
Quote:
Capitalism is built on voluntary participation.



oh no, don't talk so dirty about your precious.

so...when is voluntary no-longer viable? :smirk: nah. it'll never happen it's already happening greed greed greed greed



Who is greedier?  The person who wants to keep the fruit of his own labors or the person who wants to take the fruit of another person's labors?  Is the grasshopper or the ant greedier?  The loser on welfare or the taxpayer who doesn't get shit?



 
What about share-holders of major corporations? They do nothing and just profit off of the labor of their employees.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
i learned how to ignore people best by debating with Christians and republicans. at least most conservatives have some backbone, i'll say. love talking with them, most of the time; even if i'm being a drag, so to speak.

which on the shroomery...:imslow: is bound to happen.

but you know, you missed the point of what i said: you see, by not liking another culture for no reason other than you just don't like them, you proclaim yourself incapable of having a reasoned debate or discussion, and yet people like this are most vocal. it leads nowhere but a proliferation of inanity...some will buy one product, some the other...it's pointless pandering.

reason an actual thing to be concerned about, an actual problem -- then people can talk sensibly.



People have valid reasons for disliking other cultures, why is that so difficult to understand?

Edited by qman (04/25/16 06:05 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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um, not often.

perhaps you can give me an example.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
akira_akuma said:
Quote:
Capitalism is built on voluntary participation.



oh no, don't talk so dirty about your precious.

so...when is voluntary no-longer viable? :smirk: nah. it'll never happen it's already happening greed greed greed greed



Who is greedier?  The person who wants to keep the fruit of his own labors or the person who wants to take the fruit of another person's labors?  Is the grasshopper or the ant greedier?  The loser on welfare or the taxpayer who doesn't get shit?



there is no perfect non-greed, selfish-Zappa.

the way the greedier get greedier than the rest, that's what causes more inequality, which causes a metaphorical rise in pitch forks, and which causes the decline of your precious.

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