Tipote said:

In the US, I know there is a very well developed Syrian-American community/diaspora who are fully integrated

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qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

I'm sure the recent flood of "refugees" are NOT accounted for in the unemployment rate.  How can anyone account for something that isn't measurable in the first place?

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You posted an article with the message "Yeah Tip, pipedream means economic reality in short order, what a disaster. "

What "disaster" were you referring to?  How is being saved from war a "disaster" for either the refugees or the Germans?

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Number one, over half of these "refugees" aren't being saved from war conditions since they're coming from all different third world nations, in fact even being from Syria no longer qualifies a person as a war refugee.

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viktor said:

Tipote said:

In the US, I know there is a very well developed Syrian-American community/diaspora who are fully integrated

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If they were "fully" integrated they wouldn't be "Syrian-Americans", they'd just be Americans.

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Absolute nonsense, viktor.
Just because people identify as American doesn't mean that identity isnt more complex than that. We rarely call white Americans Anglo-Americans so does that mean by default they are the pinnacle of integration? We only call white Americans "American", its reserved for them. If anything it suggests that if anything deviates from the perceived norm (white) then we have to give it a label like African-American. Does Irish-American, Dutch-American mean they are less integrated/ less American? Qman is Polish-American though he might not identify with any of his Polish origins. I dont know. America is a land of immigrants so all groups, except native Americans, will have a prefix.

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Muslims are never, ever going to integrate in Europe because they don't look like the Europeans.

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I don't know what planet you live on or how deep your fingers are in your ears but its already happened and already happening. There are muslims at the height of our societies.

So do you think that anyone that isn't white is therefore incapable of ever integrating? interesting..

viktor said:

Muslims are never, ever going to integrate in Europe because they don't look like the Europeans.

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WAN said:

Taking (criminal) matters into one's own hands is a very big no-no indeed.

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akira_akuma said:

like Zimmerman did? oh i've been waiting for someone to have to fess this one up....

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Tipote said:

I don't know what planet you live on or how deep your fingers are in your ears but its already happened and already happening. There are muslims at the height of our societies.

So do you think that anyone that isn't white is therefore incapable of ever integrating? interesting..

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Malkuthian said:

viktor said:

Muslims are never, ever going to integrate in Europe because they don't look like the Europeans.

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Such amazing arguments in this thread...

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viktor said:

Tipote said:

I don't know what planet you live on or how deep your fingers are in your ears but its already happened and already happening. There are muslims at the height of our societies.

So do you think that anyone that isn't white is therefore incapable of ever integrating? interesting..

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The Jews had about 1,900 years of integration in Europe. Still, they were different enough to all get gassed AFTER 1,900 FREAKING YEARS!!!!

And you think that after 50 years of integration, European Muslims are just like native Europeans.

How is it that the Muslims have achieved in 50 years what the Jews could not manage in 1,900?

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Perhaps I missed your logic. The people that thought the Jews were different enough to be gassed were not only wrong but fucking idiots and history has shown us that. Antisemitism and Islamophobia are promoted by elites and uneduated ignorant sheep listen.

viktor said:

Malkuthian said:

viktor said:

Muslims are never, ever going to integrate in Europe because they don't look like the Europeans.

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Such amazing arguments in this thread...

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Do you know this is a drugs forum? So, have you ever done any drugs, or are you a typical self-righteous Swede, thinks he knows about everything without actually trying it?

Going by your overuse of sarcasm I would guess you are about 16 years old and have probably never even smoked cannabis (unless you are from Stockholm).

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What has this "discussion" got to do with drug taking???
Pointing out your weak AF arguments has nothing to do with drugs...but talking about drugs is apparently a way to avoid backing up your ridiculous arguments.

This website is not uniquely for drugs, or even magic mushrooms alone btw. 

Maybe you should sit down, take a 5g trip and kick yourself in your own ass?

Tipote said:

viktor said:

Tipote said:

I don't know what planet you live on or how deep your fingers are in your ears but its already happened and already happening. There are muslims at the height of our societies.

So do you think that anyone that isn't white is therefore incapable of ever integrating? interesting..

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The Jews had about 1,900 years of integration in Europe. Still, they were different enough to all get gassed AFTER 1,900 FREAKING YEARS!!!!

And you think that after 50 years of integration, European Muslims are just like native Europeans.

How is it that the Muslims have achieved in 50 years what the Jews could not manage in 1,900?

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Perhaps I missed your logic. The people that thought the Jews were different enough to be gassed were not only wrong but fucking idiots and history has shown us that. Antisemitism and Islamophobia are promoted by elites and uneduated ignorant sheep listen.

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Lmfao ... Yet Muslims have shown them selves to be more Anti Semitic than any other group living in Europe
Do you also consider these people to be uneducated, ignorant sheep??? ... Say any thing other than yes after what you've just stated above and your words are clearly BS ...

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Once again, you point out U6 unemployment, which I've told you before I don't mind using if you understand what the historical highs and lows for that are in tight and loose economies.

Germany, like the US, has a low unemployment rate right not, whichever measure you choose to look at.

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Tipote said:

It was St. George's day yesterday. the patron saint of England...and he was Palestinian/Turkish/Syrian.

There is a lot more than qman is willing to admit that connect us culturally to the middle east - the birth place of the abrahamic religions.

and he will never accept that foreigners can contribute to societies. OF COURSE there is a burdensome transition period and by no means will it be easy. This should give us incentive to streamline our integration mechanisms. In the US, I know there is a very well developed Syrian-American community/diaspora who are fully integrated. It exists too in Europe and is developing.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

I'm sure the recent flood of "refugees" are NOT accounted for in the unemployment rate.  How can anyone account for something that isn't measurable in the first place?

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You posted an article with the message "Yeah Tip, pipedream means economic reality in short order, what a disaster. "

What "disaster" were you referring to?  How is being saved from war a "disaster" for either the refugees or the Germans?

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Number one, over half of these "refugees" aren't being saved from war conditions since they're coming from all different third world nations, in fact even being from Syria no longer qualifies a person as a war refugee.

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Number one, that statistic of 60% if thats what youre referring to, is not accurate at all.

Secondly, can you provide the statistics to show that these people are not fleeing war even if they aren't coming from Syria?

Again, no one is saying we should accept pure economic migrants.

I think you are thinking about Afghanistan, not Syria on your point (70% of Afghan refugee applicants are accepted now)

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Number two, Tip has always maintained that the migrants would transaction into the workforce and begin contributing in short order, that's nothing more than a pipedream. The reality on the ground is now proving otherwise,  they're going to be social and financial burdens for decades if not longer.

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Transition - yes. I never said "short order" or that it would be over night or easy. I said in the long term it will happen and you cannot show that it will not be the case, therefore eventually tax revenues will be generated by the increased population.

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"can you provide the statistics these people are not fleeing war even if they're not from Syria?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html

"There are well-dressed Iranians speaking Farsi who insist they are members of the persecuted Yazidis of Iraq. There are Indians who don't speak Arabic but say they are from Damascus. There are Pakistanis, Albanians, Egyptians, Kosovars, Somalis and Tunisians from countries with plenty of poverty and violence, but no war."

"eventually tax revenues will be generated by the increased population"



No one is saying they won't generate some tax revenue, but point is they will receive multiples more than they contribute, that will still make them social leeches on the native population.

The Ecstatic said:

Which brings us right back around to "tough titties, dont go destroy a subcontinent and you wont have to reap the consequences."

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Which brings us right back around to "tough titties, dont go destroy a subcontinent and you wont have to reap the consequences."

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No one destroyed the places the large majority these "refugees" are coming from, they saw a open door and ran through it.

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Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

viktor said:

Tipote said:

I don't know what planet you live on or how deep your fingers are in your ears but its already happened and already happening. There are muslims at the height of our societies.

So do you think that anyone that isn't white is therefore incapable of ever integrating? interesting..

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The Jews had about 1,900 years of integration in Europe. Still, they were different enough to all get gassed AFTER 1,900 FREAKING YEARS!!!!

And you think that after 50 years of integration, European Muslims are just like native Europeans.

How is it that the Muslims have achieved in 50 years what the Jews could not manage in 1,900?

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Perhaps I missed your logic. The people that thought the Jews were different enough to be gassed were not only wrong but fucking idiots and history has shown us that. Antisemitism and Islamophobia are promoted by elites and uneduated ignorant sheep listen.

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Lmfao ... Yet Muslims have shown them selves to be more Anti Semitic than any other group living in Europe
Do you also consider these people to be uneducated, ignorant sheep??? ... Say any thing other than yes after what you've just stated above and your words are clearly BS ...

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