viktor said:

Explain how Sweden, most heavily affected by the swarm of refugees, "massively contributed to" the crisis.

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qman said:

Do you have any idea how bad race relations are in the US?  People like Air who sign up with BLM's protesters will run for the hills if the shit ever hit the fan, ideals for other people are fine and well until the thought of death enter the equation.

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airclay said:

qman said:

Do you have any idea how bad race relations are in the US?  People like Air who sign up with BLM's protesters will run for the hills if the shit ever hit the fan, ideals for other people are fine and well until the thought of death enter the equation.

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Your showing your little hurt white feelings more and more in every post.

BTW your assumptions about folks are always so bad. I grew up battling racist skinheads at punk shows. Look up the hammerskins in dallas. We ran them out of our shows often violently. I have fought hand to hand over these subjects. Tell me more about who I am again? I promise you I'm not some disgruntled old closet racist crying about others fighting for the things I already enjoy.

This reminds me of the time you thought a professor was challenging people to a fight when he suggested tough guys come to the gym and spar.  You put all this weight into might=right and this half ass tough guy attitude when I highly doubt you ever have your tail outside of your legs given your scared of the world narrative and reaction to sparring in a gym.

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"I grew up battling racist skinheads at punk shows"

Did you?  Tell us some "battle" stories!

"We ran them out of our shows often violently"

So you inflict violence on people that you disagree with?  That makes you better than them in your mind?

"I have fought hand to hand over these subjects"

Wow, you sure sound tough.

"reaction to sparring in a gym"

Not sure what you're talking about, maybe you should tell us more about how violent and tough you are over the internet.

qman said:

airclay said:

qman said:

Do you have any idea how bad race relations are in the US?  People like Air who sign up with BLM's protesters will run for the hills if the shit ever hit the fan, ideals for other people are fine and well until the thought of death enter the equation.

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Your showing your little hurt white feelings more and more in every post.

BTW your assumptions about folks are always so bad. I grew up battling racist skinheads at punk shows. Look up the hammerskins in dallas. We ran them out of our shows often violently. I have fought hand to hand over these subjects. Tell me more about who I am again? I promise you I'm not some disgruntled old closet racist crying about others fighting for the things I already enjoy.

This reminds me of the time you thought a professor was challenging people to a fight when he suggested tough guys come to the gym and spar.  You put all this weight into might=right and this half ass tough guy attitude when I highly doubt you ever have your tail outside of your legs given your scared of the world narrative and reaction to sparring in a gym.

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"I grew up battling racist skinheads at punk shows"

Did you?  Tell us some "battle" stories!

"We ran them out of our shows often violently"

So you inflict violence on people that you disagree with?  That makes you better than them in your mind?

"I have fought hand to hand over these subjects"

Wow, you sure sound tough.

"reaction to sparring in a gym"

Not sure what you're talking about, maybe you should tell us more about how violent and tough you are over the internet.

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qman said:

"Apparently, it's part of white culture to fuck everyone else over?"

How is bringing in third world people into the comforts of a developed nations fucking "everyone else over?"  White culture is the most civilized culture until it isn't, a backlash won't be pretty.

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consistently you only pick certain parts of what I say to respond to. At least you included my question mark. I also said..
"Perhaps you can explain specifically what it is about white culture in particular that shows i'm wrong? "

"white culture is the most civilised culture until it isnt".... well that makes a whole lot of sense . What is it to be civilised then?
go on, unleash some nuggets of truth about white culture and its propensity for barbarism. All countries are different yet you seem to try to put them all together as though just being white unites them.

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"It is the fascists and the normalization of fascists ideas amongst the population that are the greater threat to the structure of Europe, not Muslims"
This is your best one yet, the native population wouldn't be upset if their homelands weren't being invaded in the first place, this isn't something they created.

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The Muslim population is still going to be a major problem in the EU regardless of the "fascists" being there or not, at the end of the day the natives aren't going to lose their sovereignty and national security to people from a foreign land.

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"Who rat out what you already call muslim apologists"
Like in Germany, they will be ratting themselves out in rapid fashion.  It's crazy how quickly loyalty changes when survival is at stake.

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WAN said:

qman said:

airclay said:

qman said:

Do you have any idea how bad race relations are in the US?  People like Air who sign up with BLM's protesters will run for the hills if the shit ever hit the fan, ideals for other people are fine and well until the thought of death enter the equation.

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Your showing your little hurt white feelings more and more in every post.

BTW your assumptions about folks are always so bad. I grew up battling racist skinheads at punk shows. Look up the hammerskins in dallas. We ran them out of our shows often violently. I have fought hand to hand over these subjects. Tell me more about who I am again? I promise you I'm not some disgruntled old closet racist crying about others fighting for the things I already enjoy.

This reminds me of the time you thought a professor was challenging people to a fight when he suggested tough guys come to the gym and spar.  You put all this weight into might=right and this half ass tough guy attitude when I highly doubt you ever have your tail outside of your legs given your scared of the world narrative and reaction to sparring in a gym.

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"I grew up battling racist skinheads at punk shows"

Did you?  Tell us some "battle" stories!

"We ran them out of our shows often violently"

So you inflict violence on people that you disagree with?  That makes you better than them in your mind?

"I have fought hand to hand over these subjects"

Wow, you sure sound tough.

"reaction to sparring in a gym"

Not sure what you're talking about, maybe you should tell us more about how violent and tough you are over the internet.

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I loled.

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Yeah me too ...

airclay said:

and another lol @ bubbles just lol at you "but but but what about my rights to be an insufferable violent dick head? wahhhhhhhh"

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Ohh the irony

Shins said:

The one thing that puzzles me is that many of the people complaining about refugees now we're previously complete hawks when I came to invading Syria, Libya and Iraq etc.

If you supported those wars it's your own damn fault lol.  Now suffer the consequences bitch.

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well said, Shins. This is the fundamental point.

Tipote said:

Shins said:

The one thing that puzzles me is that many of the people complaining about refugees now we're previously complete hawks when I came to invading Syria, Libya and Iraq etc.

If you supported those wars it's your own damn fault lol.  Now suffer the consequences bitch.

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well said, Shins. This is the fundamental point.

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WAN said:

Tipote said:

Shins said:

The one thing that puzzles me is that many of the people complaining about refugees now we're previously complete hawks when I came to invading Syria, Libya and Iraq etc.

If you supported those wars it's your own damn fault lol.  Now suffer the consequences bitch.

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well said, Shins. This is the fundamental point.

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WTF?  The people never entered any wars.  It was our politicians.  And like I said many times, people should not have to pay for the stupid actions of their politicians.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

"Apparently, it's part of white culture to fuck everyone else over?"

How is bringing in third world people into the comforts of a developed nations fucking "everyone else over?"  White culture is the most civilized culture until it isn't, a backlash won't be pretty.

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consistently you only pick certain parts of what I say to respond to. At least you included my question mark. I also said..
"Perhaps you can explain specifically what it is about white culture in particular that shows i'm wrong? "

"white culture is the most civilised culture until it isnt".... well that makes a whole lot of sense . What is it to be civilised then?
go on, unleash some nuggets of truth about white culture and its propensity for barbarism. All countries are different yet you seem to try to put them all together as though just being white unites them.

Quote:

"It is the fascists and the normalization of fascists ideas amongst the population that are the greater threat to the structure of Europe, not Muslims"
This is your best one yet, the native population wouldn't be upset if their homelands weren't being invaded in the first place, this isn't something they created.

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its quite simple.. people flee the middle east because of wars pushed for by European countries and the US.. War creates refugees, refugees travel and seek refuge. Thats the "invasion" youre talking about. Yes citizens are pissed off. They were before the crisis and they are now. Its is a lack of representation that got us into these wars in the first place, and it is a lack of representation that is behind a half assed effort to have a coordinated and organised tackling of the refugee crisis. You have to understand the push as well as the pull factors here.

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The Muslim population is still going to be a major problem in the EU regardless of the "fascists" being there or not, at the end of the day the natives aren't going to lose their sovereignty and national security to people from a foreign land.

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because in your mind muslims are inherently incompatible with the west? Despite living in Europe for hundreds of years.. and others integrating successfully to the heights of our societies. We have Muslim politicians, lords, Olympians etc etc, they are british through and through whether you can accept it or not.

our loss of sovereignty and national security was happening well before the refugee crisis.

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"Who rat out what you already call muslim apologists"
Like in Germany, they will be ratting themselves out in rapid fashion.  It's crazy how quickly loyalty changes when survival is at stake.

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yup and its crazy how loyalty changes based on race and religion concerning a perceived threat to survival. Fear mongering and xenophobia are making many native Europeans betray their countries, their countrymen and humanity.

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Tipote said:

qman stop being a child. the point is that airclay said he has and does stand up for what he believes in. There is no way that anything he or I can say can convince you that there will always be people trying to do the right thing regardless of threats of death. The french resistance withstood torture and faced death always. its just an obvious truism that some people will be more committed than others. To assume there is only going to be a few standing up is only an assumption that reveals your black and white perspective on life and the world.

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Tipote said:

WAN said:

Tipote said:

Shins said:

The one thing that puzzles me is that many of the people complaining about refugees now we're previously complete hawks when I came to invading Syria, Libya and Iraq etc.

If you supported those wars it's your own damn fault lol.  Now suffer the consequences bitch.

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well said, Shins. This is the fundamental point.

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WTF?  The people never entered any wars.  It was our politicians.  And like I said many times, people should not have to pay for the stupid actions of their politicians.

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Who do you think has to do the dirty work for the politicians? They don't do it themselves. Ordinary people are the ones facing the blowback in its many forms on the front line. terrorism - fear - divided communities - racism

I agree that most people know in retrospect these wars were stupid and even at the time most people thought they were stupid but the politicians and the media lied and manipulated to make it happen. It is partly OUR failure that we haven't reined in our governments yet. Elected leaders change places and the machine keeps working. War is a lucrative industry.

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Shins said:

Americans have not stopped their government from doing this and in fact most have supported these actions because theyre so stupid that they believe the mouthpieces on TV.

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