Tipote said:

Or those apologising for fascist thugs who attack muslim women in defense of "OUR" women..LOL

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Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

You seem to continually try to disprove the facts, or show them as being incorrectly reported, when these events involving Muslims happen.
Yet when the shoe is on the other foot, you take it as absolute with out a second thought and try to use it as a weapon in your discussion.

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What facts am I trying to disprove? I said his conclusion and methodology was flawed but he said a lot of accurate things in between his annotations. What am i disproving??

What am i using "as a weapon"?

Are you high bubbles?

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I wasn't speaking specifically about the documentary, i was speaking in general about the entire discussions revolving around certain Muslims.

I was also pointing out your hipocracy when it comes to the apologetic nature you present toward these Muslims and the fact that you do not extend the same level of thought to native Europeans, who stand up against what they believe, either rightly or wrongly, is the Islamification of their home country's.

We've heard of only one instance of a far right member attacking a Muslim women and you've not shut the fuck up about it since. Yet the rapes, attacks and sexual assaults from the Muslim population in Europe have been endless.
When its a Muslim in the spot light, we must try to "understand" and accept that its due to their "discrimination"

The hipocracy here is what i was pointing out ....

Tipote said:

can you provide those stats please?

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Come on man, you know as well as i do, that in several European country's, Muslim men now commit a higher number of rapes than any other group. Sweden for example has a 2% Muslim population, yet it's estimated that Muslims commit 77% of all rapes and the women targeted, are predominantly white European.

Tipote said:

If you go to some parts of London, it is sometimes only Orthodox Jewish and i would be certain of some shared views about women and homosexuality to say the least.

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Tipote said:

What anti-semitiic things have I said, Bubbles? I'm interested to know!

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I was poking fun at you more than any thing. I've seen countless threads and posts of yours bitching about Jews lol. So to see it again in the context presented here and right after the documentary we're discussing, highlighted some major Anti-Semitism with in the Muslim community's in the UK, was funny

Tipote said:

my point (clearly you missed it) is that they should have shown the stats for muslims are compared to abrahamic faiths and sects as certain views are shared between jews muslims and christians.. the methodology was sloppy at best.

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“For a long time, I too thought that Europe’s Muslims would become like previous waves of migrants, gradually abandoning their ancestral ways, wearing their religious and cultural baggage lightly, and gradually blending into Britain’s diverse identity landscape. I should have known better.”

And Mr. Phillips even acknowledges that the mass sexual grooming and rape scandals that are plaguing heavily Muslim populated towns across Britain are because of Muslim – not ‘Asian’ – men. He writes: “The contempt for white girls among some Muslim men has been highlighted by the recent scandals in Rotherham, Oxford, Rochdale and other towns. But this merely reflects a deeply ingrained sexism that runs through Britain’s Muslim communities” – in a nod to those who have long protested this to be the case in the face of political, media, and even police cover ups.

Even left wing columnist Yasmin Alibhai-Brown told him: “[W]e [liberal Muslims] are a dying breed — in 10 years there will be very few of us left unless something really important is done.”

Phillips comments: “Some of my journalist friends imagine that, with time, the Muslims will grow out of it. They won’t.”

And indeed he lays the blame at the feet of the liberal, metropolitan elite, media classes: “Oddly, the biggest obstacles we now face in addressing the growth of this nation-within-a-nation are not created by British Muslims themselves. Many of our (distinctly un-diverse) elite political and media classes simply refuse to acknowledge the truth. Any undesirable behaviours are attributed to poverty and alienation. Backing for violent extremism must be the fault of the Americans. Oppression of women is a cultural trait that will fade with time, nothing to do with the true face of Islam.”

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qman said:

Tipote said:

qman said:

"or that a significant majority don't want them"

The number of EU natives that don't want them is growing everyday. Why in the world would German, French, or Dutch citizens want unskilled/uneducated African's flooding into their homelands?  The vast majority don't contribute at all, and become nothing more than a criminal/social service burdens.

I put "refugees" in quotes because it's been acknowledged that nobody even knows who these people are and where they came from, the whole migration is nothing more than an out of control free for all. I'm sure there's some legitimate refugees that went into the EU, maybe more than half aren't refugees.

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maybe my legs are bananas.. but they are not.

unless you can back up what youre saying. "maybe" this, "maybe" that, it doesnt count for much.

Recognition rates of refugee status have been shown consistently through this thread. While at times there have been waves of purely economic migrants, it cannot be disputed that these are largely refugees.

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https://www.rt.com/news/330284-economic-migrants-eu-refugees/

"more than half the people coming to Europe come from countries where you can assume they have no reason whatsoever to ask for refugee status...more than half, 60 percent, said Frans Timmerman, vice president of the European Commission."

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Tipote said:

"the fire of islam"

more muslims have died from the west than westerners have died from muslims but I don't hear anyone talking about the destructive fire of the West.

These double standards are one of the main obstacles to reasoned discussion on this.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

"these groups should be clamped down on"

If they actually commit criminal acts, talking rudely isn't a crime.

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incitement is a crime

those other groups' crimes of arson, attempted murder etc are also crimes.

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"These groups are the aggressors, NOT the refugees"

  There's aggression on both sides. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/644827/refugees-committed-crimes-Germany-migrant-crisis-last-year ;  The difference is one group actually belongs in Germany and the other group does NOT.

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yes there is aggression on both sides, but we must understand the CONTEXT and POWER RELATIONS.

if you actually read your link then you will see that the crimes of refugees are not the same kind of crimes that are being committed against them

from your link..

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The nature of the offenses appears to be mostly minor: 28,712 cases of riding on public transport without paying the fare, 52,167 incidents of forging paperwork in a bid to get money, 85,035 cases of theft, mosty shoplifting - nearly double those of 2014.

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that being said, if its a crime then its a crime and of course there are more serious ones too. that gets away from the point that it is largely Europeans who are attacking not just refugees but all muslims or people that just look muslim, while it does happen the other way around it is not anywhere near the same scale. Refugees are not responsible for terror attacks.

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Did you forget this part of my link? "Assaults, robberies, and what Germany classes as 'predatory extortion' and 'offenses against personal freedom', including threatening behavior, doubled in 2014 with 36,010 cases, accounting for 18 percent of crime total"

Looks like they're not the innocent little angles you think they are, far from it.

Tipote said:

qman said:

"they will pay taxes, it's not rocket science"

They will use MULTIPES more in tax revenue than they CONTRIBUTE.  That's called being a financial burden.

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so youre saying that refugees will use more money then they can EVER contribute back to the state? Can I see your statistics on that?

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Borders can be closed up, it's already happening. http://www.globalresearch.ca/austria-closes-its-borders-to-refugees/5503754

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Did anyone say that Austria was unable to close its borders? The point is that a lack of unity and cooperation in dealing with this will do little to address the problems of these influxes. This is why Greece will sink deeper into shit - and then what? Do you not think an already weak Greece being weakened even further will not affect the rest of the EU?

going around and around and around in ciiiiircccllessss

sigh

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When people are unemployed or working shit unskilled labor, how in the world would anyone expect them to contribute to the tax base?  Do you know what one trip to the hospital can cost?  More taxes than what one "refugee" could pay in a lifetime, never mind all the other social services these people leech off from the native population.

What do you think illegals do in the US?  The same old shit, welfare, food stamps, public housing, education, criminal justice, and health care, who in the world do you think pays for it?  It's certainly NOT them.

qman said:

Looks like they're not the innocent little angles you think they are, far from it.


Yeah, they're just a bunch of sweethearts. 

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Tipote said:

Refugees in Germany: 'I want to integrate, but how?'

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qman said:

Europe's economy has been in the dumps for decades, their labor markets can't absorb more workers because they already have an excess pool of labor, "refugees" will continue to sit around with nothing to do for years and years, there is no magical solution.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Looks like they're not the innocent little angles you think they are, far from it.


Yeah, they're just a bunch of sweethearts. 

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You're starting to sound like HU now.

NO ONE claimed every single refugee is an innocent little sweetheart angel.  You seem to believe that if there's a few bad apples, everyone needs to be punished.  And if that's your position, be clear about it.  Don't falsely claim the other side thinks that every refugee is a sweetheart.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Europe's economy has been in the dumps for decades, their labor markets can't absorb more workers because they already have an excess pool of labor, "refugees" will continue to sit around with nothing to do for years and years, there is no magical solution.

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Do you know what the unemployment rate in Germany is???

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Tipote said:

qman said:

"these groups should be clamped down on"

If they actually commit criminal acts, talking rudely isn't a crime.

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incitement is a crime

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qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Looks like they're not the innocent little angles you think they are, far from it.


Yeah, they're just a bunch of sweethearts. 

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You're starting to sound like HU now.

NO ONE claimed every single refugee is an innocent little bad apples, everyone needs to be punished.  And if that's your position, be clear about it.  Don't falsely claim the other side thinks that every refugee is a sweetheart.

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Maybe you missed when Tip made this statement- "the crimes of refugees are not the same kind of crimes that are being sweetheart angel.  You seem to believe that if there's a few committed against them".

You do support that claim as well?

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qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Do you know what the unemployment rate in Germany is???

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I'm talking about the EU in general.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Looks like they're not the innocent little angles you think they are, far from it.


Yeah, they're just a bunch of sweethearts. 

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You're starting to sound like HU now.

NO ONE claimed every single refugee is an innocent little bad apples, everyone needs to be punished.  And if that's your position, be clear about it.  Don't falsely claim the other side thinks that every refugee is a sweetheart.

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Maybe you missed when Tip made this statement- "the crimes of refugees are not the same kind of crimes that are being sweetheart angel.  You seem to believe that if there's a few committed against them".

You do support that claim as well?

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There is certainly evidence of hate crimes against refugees.

qman said:

He's clearly suggesting that the natives are the problem and the "refugees" are the victims in this relationship.

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That's not at all what he's suggesting.  He's suggesting there are bad people on both sides, not just the refugee side.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Do you know what the unemployment rate in Germany is???

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I'm talking about the EU in general.

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Germany and the UK make up 30% of the EU.  Do you know what their unemployment rates are?  I think you generalize too much.

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qman said:

airclay said:

I'm pretty sure the more logic you use tipote the further bubbs and qman shove their heads up their asses. It's like they either don't understand what the other side is saying or are just straight up dismissive as it doesn't fit into their scared of the world narrative.

instead of thinking and providing counterpoints it's just rewording the same arguments over and over.

and lol @ qman stating he hasn't claimed "cultural diversity is a failure". dude you say that shit all the time, anytime a white man has to rub elbows with anyone else.

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I quote "cultural diversity" meaning Muslims in the EU, that's why I put it in quotes.

I have always stated that cultural diversity can work under ideal conditions, but I don't think third world people flooding into the EU is a optimal condition for a success story, so far it's been a big failure.

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“They are woefully ignorant about Islam..."

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