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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
qman said:
akira_akuma said:
thing is: not enough stupid people are around to join your far-right mentality to make any difference in policy.



Those political parties aren't even considered "far-right" anymore, get with the times.  :facepalm:



Yeah, IMO, the far right label is one simply slapped on any party that goes against the Liberal status-quo.



they are ALL labels. if you keep going around saying "the liberals the liberals!" then you should expect a similar response with your labels being thrown into the mix as "the problem"; considering that people keep going "liberals, it's the liberals" with no actual evidence and nuance to the accusations, and no solutions besides name-calling.

there isn't such a problem with liberalism, nor conservatism. the problem is in people tossing labels around without nuance, and people leaning so far left or right they adhere to fascism.

which is what Qman does, literally, all the time.

WAN said:
airclay said:
It must be so cool to always be the most correct person all the time bubbles



This is flaming.  You should be banned for it.

You are supposed to focus on his argument, not attacking him personally.



shut up.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira_akuma said:
thing is: not enough stupid people are around to join your far-right mentality to make any difference in policy.



Kind of like this post? :rofl2:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Bubbles85 said:
qman said:
akira_akuma said:
thing is: not enough stupid people are around to join your far-right mentality to make any difference in policy.



Those political parties aren't even considered "far-right" anymore, get with the times.  :facepalm:



Yeah, IMO, the far right label is one simply slapped on any party that goes against the Liberal status-quo.



they are ALL labels. if you keep going around saying "the liberals the liberals!" then you should expect a similar response with your labels being thrown into the mix as "the problem"; considering that people keep going "liberals, it's the liberals" with no actual evidence and nuance to the accusations, and no solutions besides name-calling.

there isn't such a problem with liberalism, nor conservatism. the problem is in people tossing labels around without nuance, and people leaning so far left or right they adhere to fascism.

which is what Qman does, literally, all the time.

WAN said:
airclay said:
It must be so cool to always be the most correct person all the time bubbles



This is flaming.  You should be banned for it.

You are supposed to focus on his argument, not attacking him personally.



shut up.



Clearly you're missing the point .....

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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yeah, and here is where you refuse to tell me what i'm missing exactly.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
akira_akuma said:
thing is: not enough stupid people are around to join your far-right mentality to make any difference in policy.



Kind of like this post? :rofl2:



kind of like most of the posts that come from you. :shrug: yeah, i am influenced by the kind of posting that goes on around here.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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it's always naive to assume control.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
yeah, and here is where you refuse to tell me what i'm missing exactly.



The point is, that many of these parties are not "far-right" at all. Opposing mass immigration and systems like the EU now constitutes a person, or political party, as "far-right" in the eyes of the opposition and those who wish to impose all of this nonsense on the rest of us.

It's made up BS to put people off voting for real change and opening their eyes to the truth ... It forces people to vote, for the same old, same old. Which in the end, will result in the total collapse of national identity and national sovereignty. Both of which are ultimately the end goal of the EU.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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did i call you far-right for having that position?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira_akuma said:
YOUR far-right mentality



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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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also, no, it's not the end goal of the EU. it's just the end that you auger for the British isles, which, i do believe is a far too tiny landmass for such mass immigration to occur. but i also don't buy people that are going into predominant Muslim areas to just simply show they cannot walk through town; they muck about and try and enflame sensibilities in the area, in order to catch some equally muck-throwing Muslim to point the finger at.

one needs smarter and more honest tactics than that. national identity and sovereignty (if it ever got that far along) are target issues enough; people don't need to lambast the radical Muslims that get pulled out of the woodwork while they're equally being dishonest and radical, too.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
akira_akuma said:
YOUR far-right mentality





i wasn't referring to you, nor your positions. i was referring to the positions of the far-right that you were addressing (which you were).

your: Belonging to or associated with any person in general

it was a figure of speech. you were denoting your information towards that of a position of "far-Right" -- whilst i simply followed you up with your proposition of addressing the "far-Right".

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
also, no, it's not the end goal of the EU. it's just the end that you auger for the British isles, which, i do believe is a far too tiny landmass for such mass immigration to occur. but i also don't buy people that are going into predominant Muslim areas to just simply show they cannot walk through town; they muck about and try and enflame sensibilities in the area, in order to catch some equally muck-throwing Muslim to point the finger at.

one needs smarter and more honest tactics than that. national identity and sovereignty (if it ever got that far along) are target issues enough; people don't need to lambast the radical Muslims that get pulled out of the woodwork while they're equally being dishonest and radical, too.



Sorry, but it is the end goal of the EU. For the UK to be governed by a political alliance over seas, there is no other option but to give up national sovereignty. National identity will then follow. Mass immigration is the perfect weapon to disassemble that.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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and you're saying that the corporatists in the UK are aligning to sell their own country down the river?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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No thats not what I'm saying. The reasons for mass immigration into the developed world go way beyond the corporate thirst for cheap ass, unskilled migrant labour. Sure it plays a part, but its not the only factor.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
howsyournaggerdoin said:
Just want to drop some facts in this thread :

Merkels approval has gone up

Merkels party is very strong again

The far right partys are getting weaker

Most of the refugees are disappointed because they live under absolutely terrible conditions

Most of the refugees have a huge dept now and no way to pay it back

The president of turkey erdogan is trying to sue a german comedian for writing an insulting poem about him (he has no chance of success)



Source pls? Some of the points are correct but not sure about merkel and the weakening of the far right



http://www.wahlumfrage.de/aktueller-bundeswahltrend-10-april-2016/

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
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Just watched a new documentary on channel 4 called "What British Muslims really think" presented by Trevor Phillips. The documentary claims to be the most comprehensive survey ever carried out, regarding the views of Muslims living in Britain.

As it was aired for the first time tonight, i can't find a link to the program to post here for people to watch, but I'm sure it will come online in the next few days. So I'll get it up as soon as i can.

I'm sure there will be a shit ton of Liberal media sources that try to discredit the program in the next few days ... Lmfao. But the program has clearly just confirmed what i think most of us all ready know and the best part is, the evidence has come directly from the horses mouth (the Muslim population)

I was surprised to hear what Trevor Phillips had to say and the way he reported the findings. Being presented by him, I was expecting it to be some biased, Left wing horse shit, but it was the complete opposite.
For those who don't know who he is, he is a Liberal, was Tony Blair's right hand man during the last Labour government and was one of the people directly responsible for opening the flood gates to Muslim immigration in the UK, in the 1990's.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
Just watched a new documentary on channel 4 called "What British Muslims really think" presented by Trevor Phillips. The documentary claims to be the most comprehensive survey ever carried out, regarding the views of Muslims living in Britain.

As it was aired for the first time tonight, i can't find a link to the program to post here for people to watch, but I'm sure it will come online in the next few days. So I'll get it up as soon as i can.

I'm sure there will be a shit ton of Liberal media sources that try to discredit the program in the next few days ... Lmfao. But the program has clearly just confirmed what i think most of us all ready know and the best part is, the evidence has come directly from the horses mouth (the Muslim population)

I was surprised to hear what Trevor Phillips had to say and the way he reported the findings. Being presented by him, I was expecting it to be some biased, Left wing horse shit, but it was the complete opposite.
For those who don't know who he is, he is a Liberal, was Tony Blair's right hand man during the last Labour government and was one of the people directly responsible for opening the flood gates to Muslim immigration in the UK, in the 1990's.



Link to the documentary -

What British Muslims really think

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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there are some mouthy British Muslims...wonder where could have learned to be mouthy and entitled?

Bubbles85 said:
Link to the documentary -

What British Muslims really think



is it liberal of me to say that a prominent British news channel making a documentary is likely to be heavily produced and planned. but i'll be checking it out, to see if there are credible facts in it.

i'll also be reading this afterwards, as a synopsis of a counter point. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/04/beware-british-muslims-160414102212060.html

that's how this works, point, counter point.

(here is also a US perspective: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/04/12/a-poll-claimed-to-reveal-what-british-muslims-really-think-critics-say-it-failed/ )

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