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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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Bubbles85 said:
The worst part, is that they're pushing for visa free travel and even the possibility of membership as an EU state, giving 56 million more people, the opportunity to live and work where every they choose. Which will no doubt be in the Western half of the EU.

I think even the British PM is in favor of Turkey becoming a member :facepalm:



Yeah, Turkey membership would be a disaster.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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No doubt. Turkey are effectively using the migrant crisis, to black mail the EU. "Either give us what we want, or the flow of people will continue"

Its shameful that they're even considering their proposals. They should tell them to fuck off and take control of the Aegean properly them selves to stop the flow of migrants, if they want this resolving.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Turkey is really really on the precipice of a total paradigm shift. :shrug: it's just that it's leaders are being assholes, as usual, and as usual, stubborn about their regime.

and yeah, just to point out the hypocrisy...they insist on some monetary exchange for taking refugees, but isn't that a fair trade? i thought unless people coming over to one's country are supposed to come with monetary value, or else they shouldn't be allowed to come, to the US or EU nations...so which is it? trade? or no trade?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Turkey is really really on the precipice of a total paradigm shift. :shrug: it's just that it's leaders are being assholes, as usual, and as usual, stubborn about their regime.

and yeah, just to point out the hypocrisy...they insist on some monetary exchange for taking refugees, but isn't that a fair trade? i thought unless people coming over to one's country are supposed to come with monetary value, or else they shouldn't be allowed to come, to the US or EU nations...so which is it? trade? or no trade?



If it cost $3 billion or even $50 billion, that's a bargain to keep out "refugees" from third world nations.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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how about from first world nations? are they worth more?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
how about from first world nations? are they worth more?



Depends on the people and culture. The most important aspect is, does the host country have need for their employment?  The US and EU already have a massive surplus of labor, we don't need anymore people.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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i can't agree with allowing displacement of refugees, but of course there is an economic downside -- if it was any other instance, i'd agree with your wholeheartedly.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Turkey is really really on the precipice of a total paradigm shift. :shrug: it's just that it's leaders are being assholes, as usual, and as usual, stubborn about their regime.

and yeah, just to point out the hypocrisy...they insist on some monetary exchange for taking refugees, but isn't that a fair trade? i thought unless people coming over to one's country are supposed to come with monetary value, or else they shouldn't be allowed to come, to the US or EU nations...so which is it? trade? or no trade?



No not really. IMO Turkey are them selves involved in shipping these people in to Europe. I don't trust them at all.

They are with out doubt, exploiting the situation for their own personal gain.

Like i said, the EU should stop being so fucking pathetic and take control of the Aegean them selves, instead of sending in a few Royal Navy war ships to simply alert the Turkish coast guard to migrant boats and nothing more.

Its weak, will solve nothing and keeps the control of this firmly in the hands of the Turkish government.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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no, i'm talking about the moderates in Turkey which make up a majority population.

not...the leaders of Turkey. i said that they were corrupt. :shrug: so, no, no "no not really".

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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I was referring to your point about monetary exchange. Hence why i stated that Turkey are clearly exploiting this situation for their own personal gain. That and they're trying to further their cause toward EU state membership.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
akira_akuma said:
how about from first world nations? are they worth more?



Depends on the people and culture.




oh really? and who decides who is good enough and by what standards?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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wait...so they should just take them for free? is that what you're saying now?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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What are you talking about? These people are all coming from Turkey in the first place.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay] * 1
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Bubbles, turkey already has 1.5m refugees in, the entire eu has 900k and wants to deport some, due to cultural and financial burdens. Why wouldn't turkey reasonably need aid to house the extra from the eu?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
What are you talking about? These people are all coming from Turkey in the first place.




From and through are different words with different meanings

From
Syria through Turkey


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
Bubbles, turkey already has 1.5m refugees in, the entire eu has 900k and wants to deport some, due to cultural and financial burdens. Why wouldn't turkey reasonably need aid to house the extra from the eu?



No, the EU want to deport economic migrants. There's a big difference. Turkey is more than capable of helping these people, but they're exploiting the situation for financial and political gain.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
Bubbles85 said:
What are you talking about? These people are all coming from Turkey in the first place.




From and through are different words with different meanings

From
Syria through Turkey



No not through, many are all ready settled in Turkey before attempting to cross to Europe. Turkey is a pretty good country for these people to stay. They're safe and its Islamic so the traditions are the same. Why even try to come to Europe in the first place?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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A diff name doesn't mean it's a new group of people, it also doesn't mean it won't cost Turkey anything.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35741494
Quote:
European Union leaders are holding a key summit with Turkey in Brussels on ways of dealing with Europe's worst refugee crisis since World War Two.
The EU is pressing Turkey, through which many migrants transit, to take some back in return for $3.3bn in aid.
Turkey is reportedly asking for that sum to be doubled. The talks are being extended into a working dinner.
Meanwhile Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused the EU of failing to deliver on the promised aid.
"It's been four months," Mr Erdogan said in Ankara. "My prime minister is currently in Brussels. I hope he will return with the money."

Turkey is currently sheltering more than 2.7 million refugees from the civil war in neighbouring Syria. The EU wants Turkey to take back migrants who do not qualify for asylum and do more to patrol its own waters.

In exchange for this, the Turkish government is asking for the EU to increase its pledge to €6bn ($6.6bn; £4.64bn), European Parliament President Martin Schulz said.
Turkey is also seeking a faster path towards EU membership and the speeding up of plans to allow Turks visa-free travel in Europe.
Turkish PM Ahmet Davutoglu told reporters that he was proposing a "new package" designed to "strengthen Turkish-EU ties not only on the illegal migrants issue but also in all challenging issues as well as Turkey's EU accession process".




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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay]
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Yeah so? What does any of that prove?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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well it shows exactly what I was saying, Turkey is flooded w "economic migrants" already, outside those that came through to the eu. how is possible you think they wouldn't need aid to take more from the eu?

Also your assumptions about Turkey are wholly incorrect. It was a secular democratic regime that's been sliding into nationalist islamic leanings for the last 20yrs. Erdogan has re-ignited a civil war w the kurds in the last year and there's video evidence of turkish troops helping isis troops cross the border. Why exactly do you think turkey is a better fit? cause it's not the eu?


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