WAN said:

Why should the French "accept" these second generation Arabs/Muslims.  They didn't ask for them to be in their society.  These muslims were thrust upon the native French.  They have every right to reject them.

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Tipote said:

WAN said:

Why should the French "accept" these second generation Arabs/Muslims.  They didn't ask for them to be in their society.  These muslims were thrust upon the native French.  They have every right to reject them.

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They were born in France, they are French citizens and shouldnt be discriminated against.

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WAN said:

I personally discriminate against whoever I want, for whatever reason I want.  And I will be DAMNED if someone tries to tell me that I can't.

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WAN said:

Tipote said:

By their government, yes.  But the average citizens should not be forced to accept them.  If a native French person wants to discriminate against them, he/she should be allowed to do so.
I personally discriminate against whoever I want, for whatever reason I want.  And I will be DAMNED if someone tries to tell me that I can't.

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thats because you are a racist and an ignorant person, thats how you roll.
to discriminate against these people is racism against people that often know French culture more than their parents ancestral culture.

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Actually their grandparents and parents were invited here and they had children who have grown up knowing only French society. They are French and shouldnt be rejected.

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They are French in legal terms only.  They are not real French people. 

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Tipote said:

WAN said:

Tipote said:

By their government, yes.  But the average citizens should not be forced to accept them.  If a native French person wants to discriminate against them, he/she should be allowed to do so.
I personally discriminate against whoever I want, for whatever reason I want.  And I will be DAMNED if someone tries to tell me that I can't.

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thats because you are a racist and an ignorant person, thats how you roll.
to discriminate against these people is racism against people that often know French culture more than their parents ancestral culture.

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Actually their grandparents and parents were invited here and they had children who have grown up knowing only French society. They are French and shouldnt be rejected.

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They are French in legal terms only.  They are not real French people. 

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So you can only be French if you are white? Is that what you are saying?
There were many arabs who fought and died for France, the generations who have grown up in France are fully French and deserve to be for what they have done for France over a hundred years.

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Tipote said:

WAN said:

Tipote said:

By their government, yes.  But the average citizens should not be forced to accept them.  If a native French person wants to discriminate against them, he/she should be allowed to do so.
I personally discriminate against whoever I want, for whatever reason I want.  And I will be DAMNED if someone tries to tell me that I can't.

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thats because you are a racist and an ignorant person, thats how you roll.
to discriminate against these people is racism against people that often know French culture more than their parents ancestral culture.

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Actually their grandparents and parents were invited here and they had children who have grown up knowing only French society. They are French and shouldnt be rejected.

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They are French in legal terms only.  They are not real French people. 

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So you can only be French if you are white? Is that what you are saying?
There were many arabs who fought and died for France, the generations who have grown up in France are fully French and deserve to be for what they have done for France over a hundred years.

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Where are you a citizen of, WAN?

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Canada and Canada only.

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imagine if white supremacist asians like yourself were discriminated against for jobs etc. You aren't white, so does that make you not a real Canadian?
These French arabs have French citizenship only in most cases. They know French culture because it is their culture, the speak french as a first language.
Whats your first language?

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"white supremacist asians like yourself"

Too funny, I doubt if those words have never been spoken. 

The Ecstatic said:

Yeah, well it's standard practice in many Christians nations with ages even lower than that.

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Tipote said:

I think its interesting to remember that the Paris attackers were second generation, alienated and completely Westernised. They took drugs (one of them was a drug dealer), drank alcohol, watched porn, had sex etc- freedoms they were exposed to from life in the West. This, combined with alienation from French society for not being accepted as vrai French fuels a crisis of identity. they then looked towards islam - which they knew little of, to reject decadence and corruption in themselves and their society, and became born-again wahabi extremists. This comes back to the point about it not being Islam, if anything its about the novice understanding and corruption of Islam. An example is the misunderstanding and manipulation of the term "jihad"

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Bubbles85 said:

The Ecstatic said:

Yeah, well it's standard practice in many Christians nations with ages even lower than that.

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Great, and when those Third World Christian gangs make it in to the Western World and begin to racially target, rape and sexually exploit young white European females, you'll be the first to hear it condemned by me.

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The sicilian mafia?

it's funny when folks push arguments and don't understand how broad of terms they're speaking.

and remember they're gangs of muslims not muslim gangs. But keep pushing to demonize a population instead of solving crimes

WAN said:

Tipote said:

So you can only be French if you are white? Is that what you are saying?
There were many arabs who fought and died for France, the generations who have grown up in France are fully French and deserve to be for what they have done for France over a hundred years.

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I think that one can be French only if both of one's parents are French (by blood) and that one was born on French soil (or whatever the requirement it is for one to be considered a French citizen).

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qman said:

"white supremacist asians like yourself"

Too funny, I doubt if those words have never been spoken. 

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i know, right. its fucking hilarious but she said it herself. She is Asian but thinks whites are the master race.

Its particularly funny because China had a very advanced civilisation thousands of years before white Europeans.

airclay said:

Bubbles85 said:

The Ecstatic said:

Yeah, well it's standard practice in many Christians nations with ages even lower than that.

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Great, and when those Third World Christian gangs make it in to the Western World and begin to racially target, rape and sexually exploit young white European females, you'll be the first to hear it condemned by me.

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The sicilian mafia?

it's funny when folks push arguments and don't understand how broad of terms they're speaking.

and remember they're gangs of muslims not muslim gangs. But keep pushing to demonize a population instead of solving crimes

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Bubbles85 said:

How exactly were the Paris attackers alienated from society? Please do share the evidence you have that supports this claim.

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What is life like in the banlieues?
Joblessness runs at 20 percent, more than double the national average, and up to 40 percent among 15- to 24-year-olds. In some of the country's 751 zones urbaines sensibles (sensitive urban zones), reports of crimes are ignored because police fear for their own safety. Discontent frequently boils over. In the autumn of 2005, weeks of rioting in banlieues across the country left 10,000 cars burnt out, hundreds of public buildings damaged, and a clean-up bill of $230 million. Since then, the government has spent $55 billion trying to improve these run-down areas, but many Muslims still feel that France doesn't care about them. "People are happy the banlieues exist to cage up people they don't want to see or worry about," says Djib, a young resident of the Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois. "If we're out of sight and out of mind, c'est bien."

Why are French Muslims so isolated?
At the heart of the issue is laïcité, the principle that church and state must be completely separate, with no religious expression in the country's government, judiciary, or schools. Laïcité dates to the late 19th century and was originally directed at keeping the influence of the Catholic Church out of government. But many Muslims feel that secularism is now being used to attack Islam. In 2004, there was an uproar when lawmakers banned veils and other religious symbols in the classroom. In 2011, France became the first European country to ban women from covering their face in public with a niqab or burqa.

Why else do Muslims feel alienated?
Many believe that the French, with their powerful sense of national and cultural identity, have never truly accepted Muslims — even those who are born in France. "How am I supposed to feel French when people always describe me as a Frenchman of Algerian origin?" asks French-born writer Nadir Dendoune. A 2010 Stanford University study found that a Christian job applicant of African heritage was two and a half times more likely to be asked for an interview than an equally qualified Muslim with African roots. Perhaps most damaging, though, is the rise of the far right. Marine Le Pen, leader of the National Front party, once compared France's rising Muslim population to the Nazi occupation — and she's currently leading polls for the 2017 presidential election.

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And most French Muslims are well-integrated into French society. But there is a huge swathe of young people who are French citizens that doesn’t feel French, that feels alienated. Why? Because there is terrible discrimination against Muslims.

France is suffering from a horrible economic crisis. Unemployment in France is more than 10 percent. It’s a record high. Among young Muslims, many of whom live in the troubled suburbs that ring Paris and other major metropolitan areas, it’s upwards of 40 percent.

If you have got no hope, if you have got no access to equal education or jobs or housing, what are you going to do? It’s very easy to take a bus from Paris to Istanbul and then go over land into Syria. It’s a kind of summer camp, a summer’s terrorist training camp.

To a certain extent, Muslims in France feel stigmatized. There has been a law since 1905 that separates church and state. It’s called laicite, or secularism, so that the French national ideal of republican values is triumphant. But Muslims don’t often fit into this cookie-cutter model what it means to be French.

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Bubbles85 said:

So no actual individual evidence regarding the attackers then? Just a whole heap of generalizations regarding entire community's and the assumption based on those generalizations, that the attackers must have been alienated because of this in some way.

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The Molenbeek district of Brussels was home to a core number of the participants in the Paris attacks: its reported architect, Abdelhamid Abaood; Abdeslam; his brother, Salah, who escaped and remains at large; and three others. Another suicide bomber in the attacks, Bilal Hadfi, hailed from a similar district in the Belgian capital. Moreover, those involved in at least two previous attacks — the foiled shooting on a French train and an attack on the Jewish Museum in Belgium that killed four — had links to Molenbeek.

Home to generations of immigrants and Belgians of North African descent, Molenbeek feels like a dead end for many of its youth, residents say. With few opportunities, they feel neglected by authorities and rejected by the rest of Belgian society — giving an opening for radicals to seek recruits.

"We are now well into the fourth generation of migrants," said Sheikh Mohammed Tojgani, the imam of Molenbeek's main mosque, al-Khalil. "Now even children realize one way or another that they are marginalized and that they are encountering racism. And when older ones look for work, they are not given many opportunities."

"That is what makes recruiting them easy, because they all have accumulated hatred."

Militant recruits have mostly been small-time criminals, young idealists and young women from broken homes looking for men who would make reliable husbands, said Johan Leman, an anthropologist who heads Foyer, a volunteer agency in the district.

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Bubbles85 said:

I would also argue that countless other community's, right across Europe, no matter what the ethnic or religious background of the people living in them, suffer from ghettoization, discrimination, poverty and crime. That doesn't mean they pick up arms and murder 130 innocent civilians.

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thats true, BUT what islamic communities are facing in Europe is particularly unique given the current political situation. There has been a long history of Western abuses against Muslims and Islamic countries and this still goes on. The ante has been upped since 9/11. We are not bombing Poland, if we did and if we were alienating Polish-origin French on the same level, then maybe some would commit terrorist attacks. Islamists arent the only people commiting terrorist attacks!

Focus on Islamist terror plots overlooks threat from far right – report

Neo-Nazi lone-wolf attacks in Europe are more deadly than Isis-inspired terrorist plots


from here

Bubbles85 said:

Nigel Farage is the only man who speaks any truth about these problems

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