koods said:

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Libya helped lead to the rise of ISIS

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Know ISIS means the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. How exactly did intervention in Lybia lead to the rise in ISIS? You know that Lybia is a good 500+ miles from Iraq and Syria.

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koods said:

Isis gets a majority of weapons from Iraq. isis is the direct result of George bush's fraudulent invasion.

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tough immigration laws in Arizona and Alabama are costing the states billions of dollars. Business and agricultural leaders have had enough.


Despite the fiscal fallout, Alabama followed Arizona’s footsteps and approved its own immigration law in September. That measure, which analysts say is more draconian than Arizona’s, could result in a $10.8 billion loss to the state’s GDP, mostly due to reduced demand for goods and services provided by Alabama businesses, according to a widely cited study by economists at the Center for Business & Economic Research at the University of Alabama. Professor Samuel Addy, who led the study, estimates that the loss of 40,000 to 80,000 undocumented immigrants would result in 70,000 to 140,000 lost jobs in Alabama, which amount to $1.2 to $5.8 billion in lost earnings. An additional $57 to $264 million would be lost in state income and sales tax collections.

These dire forecasts contrast starkly with the rosy economic projections of hypothetical immigration reform. The libertarian CATO Institute argues in a recent report that comprehensive immigration reform, which would pave the way to citizenship for the roughly 12 million undocumented immigrants, would yield at least $1.5 trillion in added GDP over 10 years as a result of increased consumption, job creation and additional tax revenue. In this scenario, California would see a $5.3 billion increase and Arizona would generate a $1.6 billion increase, the study adds.

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koods said:

Qman has a tenuous grasp of economics. Plus he's notorious for his own demagoguery and blames America's problems on groups he doesn't like.

http://business.time.com/2012/06/14/the-fiscal-fallout-of-state-immigration-laws/

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tough immigration laws in Arizona and Alabama are costing the states billions of dollars. Business and agricultural leaders have had enough.


Despite the fiscal fallout, Alabama followed Arizona’s footsteps and approved its own immigration law in September. That measure, which analysts say is more draconian than Arizona’s, could result in a $10.8 billion loss to the state’s GDP, mostly due to reduced demand for goods and services provided by Alabama businesses, according to a widely cited study by economists at the Center for Business & Economic Research at the University of Alabama. Professor Samuel Addy, who led the study, estimates that the loss of 40,000 to 80,000 undocumented immigrants would result in 70,000 to 140,000 lost jobs in Alabama, which amount to $1.2 to $5.8 billion in lost earnings. An additional $57 to $264 million would be lost in state income and sales tax collections.

These dire forecasts contrast starkly with the rosy economic projections of hypothetical immigration reform. The libertarian CATO Institute argues in a recent report that comprehensive immigration reform, which would pave the way to citizenship for the roughly 12 million undocumented immigrants, would yield at least $1.5 trillion in added GDP over 10 years as a result of increased consumption, job creation and additional tax revenue. In this scenario, California would see a $5.3 billion increase and Arizona would generate a $1.6 billion increase, the study adds.

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qman said:

Not everyone has skills and education, many African Americans and Hispanics don't even graduate HS, they don't need to compete for employment with illegals who will work for below minimum wage, how is employment working out for those US citizens?  A complete disaster.

When you flood the labor markets with more low skilled workers you force workers into educated and skilled parts of the labor market, that hurts those sectors because there's now too many workers competing for too few of jobs. This is called a domino effect, illegals hurt wages for ALL US workers, not just low skilled.

Illegals directly and INDIRECTLY take jobs and lower wages for US workers, it's all simple as supply and demand, a very basic economic law.

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koods said:

Isis gets a majority of weapons from Iraq. isis is the direct result of George bush's fraudulent invasion.

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Lynnch said:

To bring it back down a notch, I really really don't understand how we all see so differently about this.
Like, I take one look at Trump and find the idea of him running for president utterly laughable. But apparently that's how Zappa sees Bernie. Are we working off of completely different dictionaries? Have our sources of information been that biased for so long? What the utter fuck??

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koods said:

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Libya helped lead to the rise of ISIS

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Know ISIS means the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. How exactly did intervention in Lybia lead to the rise in ISIS? You know that Lybia is a good 500+ miles from Iraq and Syria.

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