Tipote said:

qman said:

The reasons are purely economic.

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LOL

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Just because you're emotionally invested in this subject matter doesn't mean real life economics doesn't play a huge role.

It's much more complicated than "it's the right thing to do" and "we are morally obligated to do it", if life were only so simple.

BTW, I have always stated that all illegals in the US need to be deported, that includes Eastern Europeans, obviously you like to blame any opposing view on this subject matter on bigotry instead of basic commonsense.

Tipote said:

qman said:

"my couch is free most of the time"

Maybe you truly believe that you would let strangers live in your house for free and totally inconvenience your life, but I don't buy it. You wouldn't last 48 hours.

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people couch surf all the time. Even if its very short term, its still something.

yes of course its an inconvenience. that is life. its an inconvenience for people to be bombed in their homes too.

helping people in their time of need or betraying them in their time of need has huge ramifications. I believe that we are guaranteeing the next few decades of hatred and terrorism because our countries talk about universal values and then shit on foreign people in need. People don't forget such things.

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So if the US/EU doesn't let them flood into our countries, you guarantee more "terrorism"? 

"shit on foreign people in need"

Not accepting a flood of third world people into our homelands isn't shitting on them.    Where the hell do you get these radical generalizations?

viktor said:

Tipote said:

Its a moral duty to help genuine refugees. We've been over this time and time again. This problem has only grown to such proportions because no one wanted to deal with the issues years ago. Thats also why you have places like the Calais Jungle.

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So do any refugees or homeless people live in your house, on your invitation?

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Bigbadwooof said:

Malkuthian said:

American culture "does not mix", whatever that means, with Swedish culture either.
Is that argument reasonable?

And there's enough work for here Americans, just not for Muslims?
or what?

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American culture mixes great with Swedish culture. We love hot blondes, coffee, and PewDiePie... What am I missing here?

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Tipote said:

I believe that we are guaranteeing the next few decades of hatred and terrorism because our countries talk about universal values and then shit on foreign people in need. People don't forget such things.

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qman said:

Tipote said:

qman said:

The reasons are purely economic.

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LOL

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Just because you're emotionally invested in this subject matter doesn't mean real life economics doesn't play a huge role.

It's much more complicated than "it's the right thing to do" and "we are morally obligated to do it", if life were only so simple.

BTW, I have always stated that all illegals in the US need to be deported, that includes Eastern Europeans, obviously you like to blame any opposing view on this subject matter on bigotry instead of basic commonsense.

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Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

I believe that we are guaranteeing the next few decades of hatred and terrorism because our countries talk about universal values and then shit on foreign people in need. People don't forget such things.

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No, poor management of the migrant crisis and the stupid policies of open doors, are guaranteeing the next few decades of Islamic terrorism in the West.

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night_shift said:

Don't you realize that taking an issue that has to be dealt with on a national level to a single person (how much personal sacrifice are you willing to make) is stupid?

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this is the significant point really . this should be tackled at national and international levels, but it doesnt happen because (among other reasons) refugees aren't part of the electorate so they dont care about them.

individual people can play a huge role but its not either/or its about tackling the problem at all levels, individual, local, regional, national, international.

This is also the problem with the Dublin protocol. If the burden is only put on the bordering (and poorest) countries of Europe, that just concentrates the burden and damages us all.

night_shift said:

qman said:

night_shift said:

qman said:

How much personal sacrifice are you willing to make to accommodate "refugees" into your community?

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Do you mean in case there was international agenda to accommodate people? In this case, my couch is free most of the time and it could serve as a crashing point.

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"my couch is free most of the time"

Maybe you truly believe that you would let strangers live in your house for free and totally inconvenience your life, but I don't buy it. You wouldn't last 48 hours.

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I guess we would have a problem if they drink my beer and there's the possibility of a fight over who should go to the grocery store.

Don't you realize that taking an issue that has to be dealt with on a national level to a single person (how much personal sacrifice are you willing to make) is stupid?

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viktor said:

So none of the open borders crowd on here actually wants to live near refugees either.

The only thing we really disagree on is how far away to keep them.

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viktor said:

So none of the open borders crowd on here actually wants to live near refugees either.

The only thing we really disagree on is how far away to keep them.

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It's no different than the white liberal professors who preach "cultural diversity" and how terrible "white privilege" is everyday to only drive home into their exclusive white towns and rich neighborhoods. 

Talk is cheap.

Tipote said:

For the record, viktor, I am involved in getting supplies to the Calais Jungle.

food, boots, coats, things to protect against the cold weather, tents, things like phone chargers, baby things like prams and nappies, sanitary towels etc etc

Its not much but its something. There are many individuals and groups who cannot necessarily do anything alone so they are working together, even if they all contribute a little.

for those who are interested.. here is some info about the resistance to demolition..

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Tipote said:

helping people in their time of need or betraying them in their time of need has huge ramifications. I believe that we are guaranteeing the next few decades of hatred and terrorism because our countries talk about universal values and then shit on foreign people in need. People don't forget such things.

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Tipote said:

viktor said:

So none of the open borders crowd on here actually wants to live near refugees either.

The only thing we really disagree on is how far away to keep them.

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who says that?

As i've said, i'm happy that there are 150 Syrian families in my town.

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Tipote said:

viktor said:

So none of the open borders crowd on here actually wants to live near refugees either.

The only thing we really disagree on is how far away to keep them.

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who says that?

As i've said, i'm happy that there are 150 Syrian families in my town.

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Yeah. that's because you don't have to pay for them. What's going to happen in the next 10 years, how are they going to support themselves? 

hostileuniverse said:

Tipote said:

For the record, viktor, I am involved in getting supplies to the Calais Jungle.

food, boots, coats, things to protect against the cold weather, tents, things like phone chargers, baby things like prams and nappies, sanitary towels etc etc

Its not much but its something. There are many individuals and groups who cannot necessarily do anything alone so they are working together, even if they all contribute a little.

for those who are interested.. here is some info about the resistance to demolition..

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Why is that group closed? What are they hiding?

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