Tipote said:

We should be asking why disenfranchised, alienated young muslims who were born in this country are being seduced by this ideology.
Hateful rhetoric against all muslims is part of it.

Yes there is fascism in the UK. From all groups. And it should be rejected.

Luckily i think choudary (the leader of that group) is in prison right now for trying to go to syria

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qman said:

They kept on telling me all groups of people are of equal value, liberal logic failure once again.

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Malkuthian said:

qman said:

They kept on telling me all groups of people are of equal value, liberal logic failure once again.

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To argue the a non-homogeneous group of 1,6 million people born as Muslims has less value based solely on the name of their faith, is not to be compared with arguing that NAMBLA are to be valued inferior because they are a bunch of idiots who have created an organization based on their desire to fuck kids.

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qman said:

"To argue"

No one is making that argument you're proposing. The debate is that too high of a percentage of Muslims in the EU don't work well into the general population, if one wants to state that makes them less "valuable" than the natives, they might have a very valid case.

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Typical apologist behavior

Malkuthian said:

"Because Muslims have inbred over 14 centuries so retardation and insanity has destroyed their gene pool permanently."

qman said:

"To argue"

No one is making that argument you're proposing. The debate is that too high of a percentage of Muslims in the EU don't work well into the general population, if one wants to state that makes them less "valuable" than the natives, they might have a very valid case.

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Typical apologist behavior

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viktor said:

Ironic that the dhimmi in this thread says that it isn't fair to compare Islam with NAMBLA, when it is well known that the founder of Islam was a paedophile.

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Repertoire89 said:

viktor said:

Ironic that the dhimmi in this thread says that it isn't fair to compare Islam with NAMBLA, when it is well known that the founder of Islam was a paedophile.

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As funny as I find that comment, it's not really fair to compare the standards of those times to now. Islam has been an evolving ideology and for a long time it could have been considered more progressive than Christian Europe, generally speaking I doubt most Muslim's would approve of pedophilia.

Even after arranged marriage's across such an age boundary, one typically would not have sex with their bride until she passes puberty.

Before anyone make's any blanket generalizations about Muslim's, I know a good number of Muslim's personally and doubt very much there's anyone on this forum who could compare morally or intellectually to a good number of them.

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WAN said:

I don't care how nice or smart these Muslims are.  They don't belong in White countries.

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Repertoire89 said:

viktor said:

Ironic that the dhimmi in this thread says that it isn't fair to compare Islam with NAMBLA, when it is well known that the founder of Islam was a paedophile.

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As funny as I find that comment, it's not really fair to compare the standards of those times to now. Islam has been an evolving ideology and for a long time it could have been considered more progressive than Christian Europe, generally speaking I doubt most Muslim's would approve of pedophilia.

Even after arranged marriage's across such an age boundary, one typically would not have sex with their bride until she passes puberty.

Before anyone make's any blanket generalizations about Muslim's, I know a good number of Muslim's personally and doubt very much there's anyone on this forum who could compare morally or intellectually to a good number of them.

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Shins said:

Muslims have lower IQ scores than average

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viktor said:

I know Muslims as well. Basically every stereotype of Appalachian hillbillies is also true of Muslims.

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Not even sure what the point of such a statement is, as it will convince no one who is not already convinced. I suppose if one wants to rock the boat for entertainment value 

Repertoire89 said:

Shins said:

Muslims have lower IQ scores than average

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IQ is a relative test, it couldn't by definition be empirical.

The only point I was making with the anecdote with my colleagues, concerns the futility of making blanket statements over such a large group (such as suggesting they resemble pedophiles)

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Shins said:

Repertoire89 said:

Shins said:

Muslims have lower IQ scores than average

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IQ is a relative test, it couldn't by definition be empirical.

The only point I was making with the anecdote with my colleagues, concerns the futility of making blanket statements over such a large group (such as suggesting they resemble pedophiles)

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What do you mean "relative test?" And why does that matter?  So muslims are dumber relative to the average.  I already acknowledged that.  It changes nothing.

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Shins said:

Mean IQ correlates directly with economic health of a nation as well as political corruption.

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What do you mean "relative test?" And why does that matter?  So muslims are dumber relative to the average.  I already acknowledged that.  It changes nothing.

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All a comment like this does, is reveal your prejudice and the prejudice of your argument. As someone who came into this discussion with an open mind, I have taken note of this.

Not that such a thing would mean anything to someone who argues for the sake of argument, but from here, it is noted.

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Shins said:

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All a comment like this does, is reveal your prejudice and the prejudice of your argument. As someone who came into this discussion with an open mind, I have taken note of this.

Not that such a thing would mean anything to someone who argues for the sake of argument, but from here, it is noted.

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Im merely stating facts what's wrong with that? It's called being honest.  The truth is prejudiced and apparently you're too PC and can't handle it.  You can't handle the truth!

Don't shoot the messenger, I am merely stating statistical facts.  You should be taking  notes about the facts not about me.

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Its too late, off with his head!!!



I'm not PC, far from it. But there's no use in arguing with someone who's made up their mind.

Regarding IQ, the premise will forever be faulty in my mind and someone attempting to measure intelligence suggests to me a lack of intelligence on their part. It would (imo) take an omnipotent mind to measure such a thing and within the context of a world which had some inherent goal.