qman said:

"make the global economy less rigged against poorer countries"

There is no rigging taking place, in fact emerging economies have taken a substantial amount of global GDP from both the US and EU in the past 25 years.

"Multinationals have contracts for much of this oil"

Western companies built their oil infrastructure since those countries were incapable of doing so themselves, the operating oil profits remain in those countries, the fact that those profits aren't shared enough with their populations isn't the fault of the West.

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Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

The women sexually assaulted in that video is no different to this retard of a Journalist, who was attacked in Calais by migrants with a knife a few weeks ago.
Journalist Publishes Shocking Footage Of Calais Attack

Instead of condemning the migrants, in true Libtard form, he then went on to blame Europe for the attack

Him and the female journalist sexually assaulted are one in the same, to fucking scared to blame these mother fuckers directly. PC fucking morons.

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Wow, thats a disgrace. I'm in contact with people in Calais and this is known to happen.
What do you mean he blamed Europe? And what do you mean libtard?

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"I show all sides, good or bad, I have no agenda and I have been documenting conflicts for 25 years," he said.

"I do not want to push any agenda, left wing or right wing. I was simply documenting what happened and I know that some publications are using it to their own agenda, but I was simply documenting the sides" he told HuffPost UK.

The Dutch journalist said he had been attacked three times in the camp since September and wasn't clear on the intentions of the ambushers.

"I show all sides, good or bad, I have no agenda and I have been documenting conflicts for 25 years," he said.

"I do not want to push any agenda, left wing or right wing. I was simply documenting what happened and I know that some publications are using it to their own agenda, but I was simply documenting the sides" he told HuffPost UK.

The Dutch journalist said he had been attacked three times in the camp since September and wasn't clear on the intentions of the ambushers.

After its release film-maker Engels wrote on her Facebook page: "Within every community, among the good ones, you'll always find a couple of assholes. 'The Jungle' is no exception. But I guess living under such deplorable conditions the less creative, intelligent and ambitious are very likely to become small criminals, because they've got nothing higher to aim at."

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Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

What argument would that be? The one where i simply showed that Islam is responsible for a higher number of deaths of non Muslims, than the West is of Muslims?

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No, its the argument that muslims or islam has an intent of colonisation of Europe and that immigration constitutes ethnic cleansing.

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Most Muslims in Europe won't be thinking about this like it's some kind of pre meditated plan. I never claimed that to be the case.

But when we look at how the demographics of Europe are so rapidly changing as a direct result of Muslim birth rates and Muslim immigration, that is in effect, exactly what is happening.

Many radical preachers clearly recognize the strength, of power in numbers. Any one who denies that is retarded.

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Bubbles85 said:

Thats weird, when this first happened most news sources were reporting what he had said in defense of his attackers, which can be found here -

Left-Wing Journalist Knife Attacked by Calais Migrants, Blames Britain For Not Letting Them In

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Instead of acknowledging that there is obviously a problem with migrants being prone to violence and rape, as evidenced by the innumerable instances of attacks and assaults taking place in Europe every week, Edwards suggested the migrants were acting violently, "because European governments have dehumanized them" and because they have been "denied their rights".

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This seems to not be available on many mainstream news sites now?

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airclay said:

viktor said:

Man, 70% of Pakistanis are inbred and some people still think letting them in in massive numbers is good to lead to a happy outcome.

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This is a bullshit statement. Here I found some links that support you tho:

http://www.christianaid.org/Blog/2015/BlogPost20150414.aspx
http://www.rightsidenews.com/life-and-science/culture-wars/muslim-inbreeding-impacts-on-intelligence-sanity-health-and-society/
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/07/18/half-of-worlds-muslims-are-inbred-due-to-generations-of-incest/
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/10/muslim_inbreeding.html
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/05/28/psychologist-serious-consequences-of-muslim-inbreeding/

why do you buy into such obv stupid news?Do you not understand when viewing news vs. slanted propaganda? Or do you not judge things that agree with you?

Here's a guy explaining this bullshit:
http://www.jefflewis.net/blog/2013/09/response_to_e-mail_-_1400_year.html

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Tipote said:

No wonder why so many people have given up on this thread.

When the intelligent voices leave, it just descends into a big circle-jerk of fear, assumption, xenophobia, dehumanisation.

There are some very important discussions we could have here but they are being sidelined by ridiculous claims that muslims are invading and they are gona take all "our" women and impose sharia law.

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Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

What argument would that be? The one where i simply showed that Islam is responsible for a higher number of deaths of non Muslims, than the West is of Muslims?

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No, its the argument that muslims or islam has an intent of colonisation of Europe and that immigration constitutes ethnic cleansing.

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Most Muslims in Europe won't be thinking about this like it's some kind of pre meditated plan. I never claimed that to be the case.

But when we look at how the demographics of Europe are so rapidly changing as a direct result of Muslim birth rates and Muslim immigration, that is in effect, exactly what is happening.

Many radical preachers clearly recognize the strength, of power in numbers. Any one who denies that is retarded.

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Radical preaches do, sure. You are not showing me how that represents the muslims in Europe or who are coming to Europe. I'm more muslim than many muslims in the UK and I'm not even muslim.

Demographics are changing, true. We can either use this as a reason to push for a complete ceasefire in the Middle East and in other countries, or we can allow the world to fucking go up in flame around us. The latter option does not serve our countries well if you are worried about demographic changes.

The fact is that countries of the Global North generally have shrinking populations, and the Global South have growing populations. It is a fact that when people are comfortable in their standard of living, they have fewer children. Access the contraception helps too. Combine that with huge global economy disparities and war, people are going to immigrate.

Population and demographic change is just a constant throughout history. To talk like this is the end of Europe is fear mongering. If we continue to bomb many parts of the world, then only more people will come to Europe. As you are someone that cares so much about this issue, I'm surprised you arent calling more on the end of the conflicts and a fairer global political economy.

If you want the poor to stop breeding, help make the conditions for them to improve their standard of living. Not bombing them is helpful.

You have an issue with mixing dont you? Of white people having children with middle eastern people?

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Shins said:

Tipote consistently just ignores, and moves past science and facts that disagree with him.

I spent a few days tying to have a meaningful,  rational discussion but was just met with ignorance; he decided to ignore my arguments and facts and just continue on like I never said it.

I've just stopped talking with him, it's pointless to argue with sophists.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

"make the global economy less rigged against poorer countries"

There is no rigging taking place, in fact emerging economies have taken a substantial amount of global GDP from both the US and EU in the past 25 years.

"Multinationals have contracts for much of this oil"

Western companies built their oil infrastructure since those countries were incapable of doing so themselves, the operating oil profits remain in those countries, the fact that those profits aren't shared enough with their populations isn't the fault of the West.

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I have several books infront of me about this economic disparity imposed by the core countries of the global north.

Yes, Western companies built the infrastructure because they couldnt. Why couldnt they? Because Africa as a whole has been kept on the periphery of the global political economy for centuries. Dependency is encouraged.

The West would not have had its industrial revolution if it were not for the theft of resources and technology from imperial colonies.

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Bubbles85 said:

I still find it very hard to swallow, that the West and there Military's are constantly blamed, in full entirety for this whole mess.
No one ever seems to recognise the fact, that the native populations of these regions "Muslim's" are directly responsible for the total destabilization of there own countries, by fighting along side groups like ISIS, The Taliban, Al Qaeda and Hezbollah to name a few.

They oppress and de-humanize other Muslims and there own people more than any Western Government in history ever has.
Yet every thing bad, is all ways the direct result of European and America intervention and we must now fulfill our moral duties. Fuck that shit, i'm sick of people being guilt tripped by the Left for this.

Even there own Governments continually wage war in there own countries and against there own people.

Yet every one continually blames the West and our military personnel for the mess that this place is in, with out ever stopping to consider that they are directly responsible for most of this shit them selves.

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Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

What argument would that be? The one where i simply showed that Islam is responsible for a higher number of deaths of non Muslims, than the West is of Muslims?

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No, its the argument that muslims or islam has an intent of colonisation of Europe and that immigration constitutes ethnic cleansing.

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Most Muslims in Europe won't be thinking about this like it's some kind of pre meditated plan. I never claimed that to be the case.

But when we look at how the demographics of Europe are so rapidly changing as a direct result of Muslim birth rates and Muslim immigration, that is in effect, exactly what is happening.

Many radical preachers clearly recognize the strength, of power in numbers. Any one who denies that is retarded.

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Radical preaches do, sure. You are not showing me how that represents the muslims in Europe or who are coming to Europe. I'm more muslim than many muslims in the UK and I'm not even muslim.

Demographics are changing, true. We can either use this as a reason to push for a complete ceasefire in the Middle East and in other countries, or we can allow the world to fucking go up in flame around us. The latter option does not serve our countries well if you are worried about demographic changes.

The fact is that countries of the Global North generally have shrinking populations, and the Global South have growing populations. It is a fact that when people are comfortable in their standard of living, they have fewer children. Access the contraception helps too. Combine that with huge global economy disparities and war, people are going to immigrate.

Population and demographic change is just a constant throughout history. To talk like this is the end of Europe is fear mongering. If we continue to bomb many parts of the world, then only more people will come to Europe. As you are someone that cares so much about this issue, I'm surprised you arent calling more on the end of the conflicts and a fairer global political economy.

If you want the poor to stop breeding, help make the conditions for them to improve their standard of living. Not bombing them is helpful.

You have an issue with mixing dont you? Of white people having children with middle eastern people?

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qman said:

Yeah, economics was pretty brutal centuries ago, but we are now talking about 2016, globalization has helped the emerging economies at the expense of the developed nations, so enough of your whining about economic disparity.

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Do you know who more modern and better cities than the US, most of Asia!!

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qman said:

"If you want the poor to stop breeding, help make the conditions for them to improve their standard of living"

Because they're incapable of improving themselves?  Why do you think so low of Africa people?  BTW, people in the West have been trying to help African's for decades when it comes to safe sex and contraception, most don't listen.

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"You have an issue with mixing don't you"
Bringing in primitive people into sophisticated cultures doesn't work, all the major leaders of the EU said the same thing years ago.

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"Or white people having children with middle eastern people"
If the children are not raised to be sexist and racist pigs, there shouldn't be a problem, something tells me that wouldn't be the case if the father was from the ME.

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was your dad a racist pig?

so now youre saying that it shouldnt be a problem with these cultures mixing? or is it just ME cultures (which include MANY cultures) that are all primitive?

THIS IS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE LEFT THIS THREAD

Tipote said:

qman said:

Yeah, economics was pretty brutal centuries ago, but we are now talking about 2016, globalization has helped the emerging economies at the expense of the developed nations, so enough of your whining about economic disparity.

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lol oh so that makes that i'm saying empty or outdated? haha

"helped emerging economies at the expense of developed nations" WHAT?? So you can see the zero-sum relationship one way but not the other?

Sure, some african countries have had some of the best economic growth in the world. That is positive for sure, but it doesnt mean that all the economic abuse of the last 7 centuries is nothing or has no impact. I'm not just talking about historical events, present day elites are maintained, countries are aid dependent and neocolonial relationships continue, resources are extracted and exported.

There are absolutely some fantastic development projects going on in Africa, there are also some terrible ones which benefit foreigners or national elites over the actual population.

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Do you know who more modern and better cities than the US, most of Asia!!

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Whats your point here?

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Starter said:

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But saying Muslims are a problem simply because they are Muslims is ridiculous.
Is that a real argument? No, that's just racist bullshit.

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Muslims are not a race.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

"If you want the poor to stop breeding, help make the conditions for them to improve their standard of living"

Because they're incapable of improving themselves?  Why do you think so low of Africa people?  BTW, people in the West have been trying to help African's for decades when it comes to safe sex and contraception, most don't listen.

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youre right, "most don't listen". The spread of christianity has done alot to contribute to that.
No, i dont think lowly of African people. I love Africa.

I never said they were incapable themselves. You quoted what i said so i dont see how youre struggling with this. I said "help make the conditions for them to improve their standard of living"

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"You have an issue with mixing don't you"
Bringing in primitive people into sophisticated cultures doesn't work, all the major leaders of the EU said the same thing years ago.

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You hold onto this misinterpretation of a quote from Merkel a few years ago. You should get a tattoo.

I was asking Bubbles the question. But are you against a muslim man or woman, marrying a european woman or man and having children. Is this the ethnic cleansing?

I already know your view of what you see as primitive and sophisticated cultures. its embarassingly ignorant.

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"Or white people having children with middle eastern people"
If the children are not raised to be sexist and racist pigs, there shouldn't be a problem, something tells me that wouldn't be the case if the father was from the ME.

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was your dad a racist pig?

so now youre saying that it shouldnt be a problem with these cultures mixing? or is it just ME cultures (which include MANY cultures) that are all primitive?

THIS IS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE LEFT THIS THREAD

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qman said:

"was your dad a racist pig"

Why would you compare men from Western culture with men from Middle Eastern or African culture? Do you not recognize there's a big difference in the treatment of women and different ethnicity's?

I would rather have a child raised in the West as opposed to a underdeveloped/primitive culture, but maybe you have no issue with cultures that raise their sons to view females as second class citizens.

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I'm simply suggesting that maybe you got your racist views from your father.

some people within some cultures view females like that. It is not non-existant in the West either. people and cultures are not monolithic.

Tipote said:

qman said:

"was your dad a racist pig"

Why would you compare men from Western culture with men from Middle Eastern or African culture? Do you not recognize there's a big difference in the treatment of women and different ethnicity's?

I would rather have a child raised in the West as opposed to a underdeveloped/primitive culture, but maybe you have no issue with cultures that raise their sons to view females as second class citizens.

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I'm simply suggesting that maybe you got your racist views from your father.

some people within some cultures view females like that. It is not non-existant in the West either. people and cultures are not monolithic.

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Come on now, you're trying to rationalize the obvious, the people in the West are far more tolerant of homosexuality, women rights, different cultures, different races, and different religions than all of the cultures that you love so much. 

You're the one that is constantly rationalizing and defending the actions of sexist bigots as long as they aren't white.