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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Starter]
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Yeah it's really a tragedy. These guys are going full tilt to destroy everything that's good about their own culture, about their own countries. It's essentially suicide on the scale of a country.

I think it was World War 2 that did this to Europe. You see the same in Japan. Both Europe and Japan appear to have lost the will to live after WW2 and you see that now both are dying.

You can tell that guys like Malkuthius know very little about the world outside of his own country.

My attitudes come from having traveled to 42 countries. I've observed that people in poor countries are poor because they treat each other like dogshit. That's the only reason.

Also, the only reason why the West is wealthy is because we treat each other pretty well.

This is why I know that letting mass numbers of poor people in will make a country poorer.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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I think it was World War 2 that did this to Europe.

and America had nothing to do with any of it, so what's your point?

all America does is steal where it can, just like Russia, essentially.

that creates the inequality, THAT, & the theocracy (and religious class), their vote, their idiocy -- it's not merely a "liberal" thing either, it's "conservatives" too, they're all bought, whether by God, or the almighty dollar. all equal to the scam artist's that perpetrated National Socialism, just of a different merit.

it's not the whole world's fault for the corrupt few in and around North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Russia, Middle East, Africa...all over! New Zealand included! what, you guys don't have banksters?!

fuck your corrupt minds.

it's the people lining their pockets with money from outsourcing and with war money, and with political money, THEY ARE FUCKING UP YOUR COUNTRY, and the world, not to mention, the entire fucking WORLD.

Edited by akira_akuma (02/05/16 09:05 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
THEY ARE FUCKING UP YOUR COUNTRY


:rofl:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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again: :focv:

what does your post even mean? you don't think politicians being bought out by corporations is a problem? you don't think creating demand for the war engine isn't a problem?

say something in fresh measure or fuck off.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 1
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What creates the inequality is people raping and pillaging each other whenever they can get away with it. Just learn for yourself how corrupt the police and politicians are in African and Middle Eastern countries.

Qatar still practices slavery ffs, and it's one of the wealthier countries in the ME. Imagine how shit then, the workers' rights must be in the rest of the place.

Why is there slavery in Qatar? Is it because of banksters? is it because of Western bombing? No, it's because the people in the ME are happy to treat each other like dogshit if only they can get away with it.

None of the sociological factors of wealth are present in ME culture. They do not value education. They do not value women's rights. They do not value other religious traditions.

Letting them in will just make your countries a little bit more like the ME. Which is to say, shit.

I'm so happy that Aussie and NZ are not stupid enough to do what Europe has done. Probably in 30 years it will be Tipote and Malkuthian who are refugees from a Europe that has collapsed into civil war.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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What creates the inequality is people raping and pillaging each other whenever they can get away with it. Just learn for yourself how corrupt the police and politicians are in African and Middle Eastern countries.


what creates inequality is money creating despotism, in where there can abuses, in criminality which also effects the any & all demographics in any country, whether poor or wealthy. in otherwords, what you're talking about is because of criminality, which is not particular to the places your referring to, because criminality exists everywhere. God. Damn.

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Qatar still practices slavery ffs, and it's one of the wealthier countries in the ME. Imagine how shit then, the workers' rights must be in the rest of the place.

Why is there slavery in Qatar? Is it because of banksters? is it because of Western bombing? No, it's because the people in the ME are happy to treat each other like dogshit if only they can get away with it.


it's because of the war-attribution's in the Quran, but the same exists ALL RELIGIOUS TEXTS -- so as i said, which you didn't FUCKING address -- is that if you are going to DO AWAY with FREEDOM OF RELIGION then you might as well do away with ALL RELIGIONS, particularly Christisans considering A: their predominance, and B: their willingness to kill and rape: this is all YOU LOGIC, by the by, if we were gonna take the next step and take care of all the problematic religions in the world or Europe, or America. :rolleyes:

none of which you have addressed.

because you got nothing but red-herring arguments.

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None of the sociological factors of wealth are present in ME culture. They do not value education. They do not value women's rights. They do not value other religious traditions.


changing in large measure day by day, and you know why, because Wahabbism and strict fundamentalism is falling out of style, that's why. you know how Reagen influenced the once-in-peacetime Saudi's (because like all nations they too experience peacetime, in case you know...you know nothing of that), the once ideologically un-Wahabbist, to inherit the tenants of Wahabbism into their political ideology to fend off rebels attacking them? sound similar? sounds like Palestine to me.


you're being played.

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Letting them in will just make your countries a little bit more like the ME. Which is to say, shit.


only with idiots trying to fight them. let them come. if they can't adjust and they resort to criminality, then like every other Mafia out there, we take them down legally. or make groups. i really don't give a fuck...you should address the question of Freedom.

because you haven't yet. the Christians perpetrate in equal measure to the Muslims, so yes, having both would be more trouble, but then what about the freedom of religion?

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I'm so happy that Aussie and NZ are not stupid enough to do what Europe has done. Probably in 30 years it will be Tipote and Malkuthian who are refugees from a Europe that has collapsed into civil war.


you are not Europe. you are not landlocked, you hypocrite.

besides, you shouldn't even argue with me at all: i'm the one who said to eliminate ISIS immediate as they came on the scene. no, the US WANTED TO WAIT...the rest of the world too...no, let them solve their own problems...what a bunch of morons i have to live with on this planet.

this should be the new Muslim edict:

as we have experienced a prospective peace in unity on this planet, and long for equivilancy, we must no longer adhere to the warring principals (and whilst abjuring the ruling principals) & tenants of the Quran, in accordance with a new peace treaty; which is as follows:....

all the worlds nations should have these kinds of things in law, so that religion can't be used to promote war and violence and intolerance. but nnoooooo, the entire religious world is fucked, mainly, in the US. only Hare Krishna's i'm pretty sure, don't usually harm anybody en masse, like Muslim and Christian extremists do.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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you are not Europe. you are not landlocked, you hypocrite.


Land border control is enforced in numerous countries and historically with far less technology than today e.g. Hadrians wall by the Romans to keep the Picts out, then there was the Roman siege across the southern boot of Italy to snare the army of Spartacus in the Third Servile War, and long before that there were the Spartans, upon hearing the defeat at Thermopylae, built a wall across the Isthmus of Corinth. Later on, in 450 AD, a Byzantine Wall was built on top. Don't forget the biggest military invasion in history (D-Day) was the might required to defeat the Atlantic Wall.

In this thread Tipote has babbled that borders can't be enforced to hold out immigrants and you've basically repeated the same lie. The immigrants are not equipped like the allies were on D-Day to break through, so the borders need only razor wire, satellite surveillance, drones and European navies towing back boats.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 2
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viktor said:
Just look at their cultures and countries. If you let them in you can expect the following:

Widespread corruption
Religion being considered more important than education
Terrible treatment of women
Terrible treatment of gays
Terrible treatment of each other
More honour killings



1. What I claimed earlier was simply that the migrating people have a lot worse problems then the countries they are coming to.
2.To this you responded that the problems will arise in the places to which they move.
3. I ask what problems would arise when they come here that has caused them to flee from their homes
4.You list problems that has not caused them to flee their countries...

There's no logic here. You are speaking about something I have not addressed claiming it's an argument against what I'm saying. It's not. Please follow the conversation better. It's not that hard, unless all you want to do is spew emotive shit around...


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Starter] * 1
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Starter said:
In this thread Tipote has babbled that borders can't be enforced to hold out immigrants and you've basically repeated the same lie. The immigrants are not equipped like the allies were on D-Day to break through, so the borders need only razor wire, satellite surveillance, drones and European navies towing back boats.


It also requires a complete lack of humanity and a very egocentric worldview.

Cultural retrogression. We have striven to reduce such barbaric ideas for a long time now. Sad to see them rise.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
4.You list problems that has not caused them to flee their countries...



Bullshit.

This is what's happening here. The vast majority of people 'fleeing' to Europe are in no danger of ISIS at all. ISIS has about 30,000 soldiers and there are 7,000,000 refugees.

What's happening is that there are about 500,000 genuine refugees and 6,500,000 gambling on getting into Europe for good, using the war as a cover.

Everyone knows that the far right is going to come back to power in Europe and they're going to close the borders. Everyone knows this.

So basically everyone who ever wanted to go to Europe is gambling on Europe letting them in now while people like you are still in charge.

Very soon, people like you will no longer be in charge. Probably your sort of politics will never come back to power in Sweden in your lifetime.

If you can't see the problems Muslims are causing in your country you are blind. Keep letting them in if you want though, it's your country and you're the one paying for it.

It will be interesting to see if you are still here in 10 years time defending your position. Sweden will be 15-20% Muslim by then and I predict you'll switch to the Sweden Democrats, like 90% of my old friends from the sossarna.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 1
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viktor said:
Malkuthian said:
4.You list problems that has not caused them to flee their countries...



Bullshit.



Their own laws on how to live caused them to flee from their own countries, and now this is a problem because they will reinforce the same laws the just fled from when they arrive? Does that really sound reasonable to you?

The refugees are coming from all over, not only from Syria. No one said they only come because of ISIS. Climate change, constant American bombs and famine. There you have three reasons more important than "they treat gays and women bad".

viktor said:
What's happening is that there are about 500,000 genuine refugees and 6,500,000 gambling on getting into Europe for good, using the war as a cover.



Says who?
And why would the 6,5 million people not being refugees want to flee? Because of a culture they don't appreciate but yet somehow are destined to recreate when they arrive? Explain to me how this makes sense again?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay] * 1
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airclay said:
here I can type it for you:

GIVE NO FUCKS
TAKE NO ORDERS
SMASH THE PRISONS
AND THE BORDERS
CIRCLE THAT A MOTHERFUCKER



I didn't realize you were 12 :facepalm:

Won't you feel like a complete fool, when you get to the end of your life and realize you've wasted it on this BS.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
"Bavaria mayor sends bus load of refugees to Merkel's office"  :lol:




Maybe she should house those people at her own private residence, to show that she really supports the cause, that she's forcing on every one else?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
Their own laws on how to live caused them to flee from their own countries, and now this is a problem because they will reinforce the same laws the just fled from when they arrive? Does that really sound reasonable to you?


I don't know if it sounds reasonable, but it is what's happening. Read a history book about how Islam spread from a small town in Saudi Arabia to covering 1/4 of the world's population.

The short of it is this. If you want the Sweden Democrats to come to power in Sweden, just keep letting in piles of Muslims and Africans.

Like I said before anyway, it's not my country going to shit. 20% of the population of New Zealand was born in the Third World and we don't even have a neo-Nazi party, let alone one that's polling 25%.

You can ask me how we managed that if you're interested.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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viktor said:
I don't know if it sounds reasonable, but it is what's happening. Read a history book about how Islam spread from a small town in Saudi Arabia to covering 1/4 of the world's population.



You are talking about a deliberate take over?
The evil Muslim plan to conquer the world?


viktor said:
The short of it is this. If you want the Sweden Democrats to come to power in Sweden, just keep letting in piles of Muslims and Africans.



I have not said I word about how I want to handle the current situation. These endless straw man arguments are getting really ridiculous. I'm not saying we should let endless amount of people in, I'm saying that your claims are lies, and that's it, I'm not saying anything else. I haven't started to discuss how to handle the situation yet, because first we have to establish what the current situation looks like. That means arguing against your lies and starters racist crap, etc. When we can stop with the prejudice phantasmagoria arguments we can start to have a real discussion. Unfortunately that does not seem possible.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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What "racist" crap has been said on this thread?

Calling someone a racist here counts as flaming, btw. You could be banned for it.

Your choices are these:

1. Stop letting in Muslims/Africans, or;
2. Sit there and let the Sweden Democrats come to power.

Did you know that Islam has been trying to conquer Europe for literally the past 1,000 years? What makes you think they stopped?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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https://sd.se/regeringen-maste-agera-nu/

163,000 asylum seekers in Sweden in 2015. Holy motherfucking Jesus. That's like a city the size of Uppsala. 100,000 more expected in 2016.

100,000 is 1% of the population. Every single year.

That's 263,000 people, mostly Muslims, in 2 years. How long can this continue?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 2
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viktor said:
What "racist" crap has been said on this thread?

Calling someone a racist here counts as flaming, btw. You could be banned for it.



"they're third world. They have no value. If they die it is acceptable."
It's not OK to state that this is racist crap?

Hence my comment earlier:
"A problem with these discussions are that people exaggerate and call immigrant-hostile people "racists". Another problem is all these fucking racists."


viktor said:
Your choices are these:

1. Stop letting in Muslims/Africans, or;
2. Sit there and let the Sweden Democrats come to power.



As I said in me previous post: there is no point discussion how to act before we have come to terms with "what is the current situation?". Also your claim is oversimplified to the extent that it no longer holds any value.
In reality there are many choices. The question is how much people to allow. To have completely open boarders for everyone, or to close the boarders completely from everyone, are the two only choices that are fiction. None of them will ever happen. And these are the only ones you claim exists. You are the exact opposite of reality...

viktor said:
Did you know that Islam has been trying to conquer Europe for literally the past 1,000 years? What makes you think they stopped?


The current refugees are not people with an agenda to overthrow Europe... There is no research that suggests such a preposterous idea. This is a idea created from nothing. Hence nothing supports idea. The refugees are people in search for a better life. There are some others with different agendas, but this is a small minority, nothing else. If you cannot accept that then we are stuck. Or can you back up your claim?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
Or can you back up your claim?


Just read a history book. Muslims have been trying to conquer Europe for 1,000 years, but this is the first time they have had people on the European side willing to just let them in.

I never said Sweden should close its borders to everyone. I said stop letting in Muslims and Africans in huge numbers.

New Zealand lets in 750 refugees a year, most of whom are from Asia. Maybe 250 are Muslims. Sweden has twice the population of New Zealand, so per capita you'd let in about 500 Muslims a year, if you were smart. Not 100,000+.

Do you understand that from now on, every Muslim or African you let into Sweden just gives the SD more power?

Do you want the SD to come to power?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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viktor said:
Malkuthian said:
Or can you back up your claim?


Just read a history book. Muslims have been trying to conquer Europe for 1,000 years, but this is the first time they have had people on the European side willing to just let them in.



Compelling argument.

What about all the research done on the current refugee situation?
Has this research no value?
Have you read any of this?
You are wrong, google it.

viktor said:
I never said Sweden should close its borders to everyone. I said stop letting in Muslims and Africans in huge numbers.

You said: "Stop letting in Muslims/Africans" and no you are saying "stop letting in Muslims and Africans in huge numbers". Did you just change your mind?


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