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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay]
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^you shouldn't have to rely on an image to make your point/an argument.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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here I can type it for you:

GIVE NO FUCKS
TAKE NO ORDERS
SMASH THE PRISONS
AND THE BORDERS
CIRCLE THAT A MOTHERFUCKER

is that better wan?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay]
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That is still not an argument.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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You're right! It's a statement. One that aptly describes how I feel about this conversation.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] * 1
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Tipote said:
interesting how some lives seem to be worth more than others, to some.

do you have children?


All you've got is emotive shit. It's like arguing with a menstruating teenage girl.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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general social contracts revolving around societal norms of treating others is different than your sexist slandering would suggest


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
general social contracts revolving around societal norms of treating others is different than your sexist slandering would suggest


This post of yours can only be understood by another Liberal.

No offense meant.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
general social contracts revolving around societal norms of treating others is different than your sexist slandering would suggest


:lolwut:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:

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here I can type it for you:

GIVE NO FUCKS
TAKE NO ORDERS
SMASH THE PRISONS
AND THE BORDERS
CIRCLE THAT A MOTHERFUCKER

is that better wan?


airclay, so they're your views - the ones in caps?

You serious?

I recall angry teenagers (anarchists they called themselves) back in my day and it was the same nonsense of 'no borders', 'no State no hate', and 'fuck the Man'. Irony was they picked up dole cheques and surf couched in government housing. They were White middle class kids, angry and self-hating because the Left had poisoned their minds. None of their feeble ideology was then nor is now workable.

Serious problems require serious and well thought out policy. Europe needs to defend their borders and by lethal force if necessary to send the message invaders will not be tolerated. They're not refugees when they do not stay in the first country of safe haven, instead they walk to the nations with the most generous welfare.

Australia set up strong borders two years back to stop the boats under PM Tony Abbott (Prime Minister at the time) - and it's a model Europe should have adopted but instead they didn't listen to Tony Abbott who told them in plain English what to do in October 2015.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-28/tony-abbott-urges-european-leaders-to-turn-back-asylum-seekers/6890886

Former prime minister Tony Abbott has used a speech in London to call on European leaders to close their borders to asylum seekers or risk imperilling their nations.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:

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I wouldn't say they have "no value", but if African's can't control their unmanageable population growth, that's the fault of African's, not Europeans, that's the basic concept that Tip doesn't comprehend.


True, the Africans best manage themselves or fail trying. 

Curiously Tip sees the immigrants with Western eyes of altruism and projects that because he values life they will too. Big mistake. The view in the third world to their own is corrupt, criminal and exploitative and they look at Westerners as foolish sheep to prey on. You wouldn't trust them with a burnt match.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 2
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You guys should brush up on your general knowledge of all things political. I absolutely hate making y'all constantly look ignorant.

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Social contract theory, nearly as old as philosophy itself, is the view that persons' moral and/or political obligations are dependent upon a contract or agreement among them to form the society in which they live.


http://www.iep.utm.edu/soc-cont/

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John Locke (29 August 1632 – 28 October 1704) was an influential English philosopher and social contract theorist. He developed an alternative to the Hobbesian state of nature and asserted a government could be good only if it received the consent of the governed and protected the natural rights of life, liberty, and estate.


https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Locke

And in case y'all are still confused (simply the idea that John Locke's social contract theory can only be understood by liberals is laughable), here's an 8th grade worksheet on John Locke and Social Contract Theory:
http://www.polk-fl.net/staff/teachers/tah/documents/turningpoints/documentquestions/a-LockesSocialContract-Deiches.pdf


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 2
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viktor said:
Has it occurred to you that the problems that the migrants have were caused by people exactly like the migrants themselves? So that by inviting them in you're simply inviting those exact same problems into your own country?


I hardly know where to begin...
Well. One thing: they did not cause the problems themselves. Their lands are exploited and/or bombed by America/Europa. Or in some cases there are climate-factors they couldn't have foreseen.
And on top of that culture is not static. They change. They are influenced by the culture they arrive to. And they change.

But what exactly are you claiming would be the MENA-created problems that causes MENA-population to migrate? What problem is caused solely by them and will be recreated by default when they move to another location?

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they're third world. They have no value. If they die it is acceptable. That is the attitude in the third world to their own.


A problem with these discussions are that people exaggerate and call immigrant-hostile people "racists". Another problem is all these fucking racists. How to argue against this crap? There is no logic or objective value what so ever in such prejudices. Its nothing but hateful racism. And it's clear that all your attempted arguments are simply means to justify this racism.

"they have no value"...
Their attitude towards other people are no way near as hostile as your attitude towards other people. You are claiming they have no value because they do not value other peoples existence? That kinda makes you one of them. I.e. you have no value, put in your own most humble words.

viktor said:
All you've got is emotive shit. It's like arguing with a menstruating teenage girl.


Seriously? Have you read the thread? He is one of the only persons in here with actual arguments... Emotive shit seems more like your thing. And perhaps mine as well, these past weeks. But to make such claims against him makes you look like a liar who simple tries to denigrate your opponent. No one who has read this tread will believe such dishonest bullshit. On top of that you actually express this claimed opinion (in fact: lie) about his emotional influences with obvious strong emotions yourself, which you portray with a mocking metaphor...


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian] * 2
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"Bavaria mayor sends bus load of refugees to Merkel's office"  :lol:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
But what exactly are you claiming would be the MENA-created problems that causes MENA-population to migrate? What problem is caused solely by them and will be recreated by default when they move to another location?


Just look at their cultures and countries. If you let them in you can expect the following:

Widespread corruption
Religion being considered more important than education
Terrible treatment of women
Terrible treatment of gays
Terrible treatment of each other
More honour killings

Basically, Middle Easterners treat each other like shit. They treat each other like shit because they are vicious people.

You know, I first went to Sweden in 2001. That was a few weeks after Sahine Fahindal was murdered by her family for going out with a Swedish man.

Swedish people have basically the highest standard of living in the world. This has led to your young people being incredibly naive about the horrors that other people do to each other elsewhere in the world.

You are going to learn, though. The Sweden Democrats will take power in Sweden because of people like you - well-meaning, but disasterously naive.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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viktor said:
Just look at their cultures and countries. If you let them in you can expect the following:

Widespread corruption
Religion being considered more important than education
Terrible treatment of women
Terrible treatment of gays
Terrible treatment of each other




lol this list describes almost every culture and country on earth.

I find your opinions and general "like shit" treatment of other posters that don't agree fairly vicious. By your own description am I to assume you must be middle eastern? Nah I shouldn't because that's quite an orientalist generalization of entire cultures to suite a prejudiced opinion.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay] * 1
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yeah, well, let's do what the republicans do! stats indicate that, oh, those cultures have had longer periods of peace & stability than the US has EVER seen, AND they've had more people than the US has EVER SEEN, and they've been around longer than the US, TOO; so useless stats indicate that the whole argument is A: not justified for not only the reason airclay mentioned, but also B: it's also forgetting a bunch of facts! now whether those facts are pertinent to anything is obvious, just see A, but B also seems to point to the fact that eastern regions of the world have dealt with a whole lot more, and doesn't that mean something? because then i really don't want to hear the stats argument anymore, if that's the case that it's no. like ever.

yeah, Islam needs go through it's reform and it's struggling...there are even Arab rationalists popping up these days though, (former Muslim), so you take the good with the bad. no need to try and rationalize that younger (and more caucasian or Mediterranean) races are better just because they have it better right now. the world is supposed to be a fuckin' team.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
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"they have no value"...
Their attitude towards other people are no way near as hostile as your attitude towards other people. You are claiming they have no value because they do not value other peoples existence? That kinda makes you one of them. I.e. you have no value, put in your own most humble words.


It's really simple: they care nothing for their own so why should I care for them? They don't have the same Western values I believe in and that's evident because they're third world and running to mooch welfare. More to the point, why should I care for them since they're not my people. I certainly don't want my taxes blown on them. I only care for my country.

Do I see real men in this third world invasion of Europe? They're just endless rapefugees with no courage and patriotism to fight for their own homelands so they prey on the generosity earned by the blood of past Western generations. How could I possibly want these so called refugees flocking to welfare, let alone want them on my team? That would be an insult to the memory of the real men who gave the West its freedom.

Seriously, the greatest patriot who ever existed and saved Europe from Islamic tyranny was Charles Martel, who defeated the Muslims at the Battle of Tours in France in 732 AD. Yes, the invading Islamic scum were out to destroy Europe just a century after the death of their prophet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

Think about it. What an historical and cultural insult to Martel to have Muslim men on mass pour into Europe unchallenged so many centuries later.

If he had been a shirker like today's PeeCee bollocks then what we have today would never have been. Imagine the leftie argument we see in this thread back then, arguing: ...we should just pussy fold and let 'em in, they're just like us, we can all get along. It will be okay and if you don't agree you're a racist...


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
viktor said:
Just look at their cultures and countries. If you let them in you can expect the following:

Widespread corruption
Religion being considered more important than education
Terrible treatment of women
Terrible treatment of gays
Terrible treatment of each other




lol this list describes almost every culture and country on earth.



:facepalm:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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:focv:

nice argument.

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It will be okay and if you don't agree you're a racist...



that isn't true, in any case.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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viktor said:
airclay said:
viktor said:
Just look at their cultures and countries. If you let them in you can expect the following:

Widespread corruption
Religion being considered more important than education
Terrible treatment of women
Terrible treatment of gays
Terrible treatment of each other




lol this list describes almost every culture and country on earth.



:facepalm:


viktor, heroic effort in trying to explain to airclay that the third world (particularly the Islamic world which encompasses much of the third world) is very much different to the West. No doubt he hasn't traveled and seen it for himself.

I have said in this thread that the West is as good as it gets, and I base that on my observations in travel.

The reality is dystopia is real for the majority on this planet and bringing it to the West will snuff the last lights out. The Muslims have already developed their own Islamic parties and through their population growth they will vote down our democracies into theocracies. They have the dogma of their Qu'ran and math on their side enabled by spineless political correctness.

The likes of airclay can't see it: the end game of Western values and civilisation which took centuries of painful progress to achieve.


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