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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
I don't even know where to begin w this guy. Openly racist, shit talking I assume teenager (at least I hope)

def getting the ignore



I'm surprised i haven't ignored him already, it'd be my first. Not even hostileuniverse got that honour.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
What a bunch of bullshit, the burden isn't upon the native population, the burden is upon the people that come into another culture.

Do you know why Asians do so well in the US?  Because they do the right things and they quickly gain the respect of the native population.  There isn't any "right wingers" putting up some barriers for coexistence, this is all liberal fantasyland nonsense. 

The reason why Muslims don't assimilate into EU culture is because of MUSLIMS.



Malk actually said that the burden was on both sides which is perfectly reasonable.

Why do Asians do well? Assimilation is a gradual but inevitable process. there is a long history in the US of exploitation of Asian people for over a century. There were definitely obstacles and in time these fall away. Did you see how quickly the US demonised all Japanese Americans during the war with Japan?

Islam came to America with the slave trade, its been there hundreds of years.
The vast majority of muslims integrate and assimilate very well so blaming nonintegration on "islam" is weak.

I can tell you havent been to London. There are jewish parts of London that i'm sure you would say show they aren't integrating.
The significant difference in all this is 9/11 and the US war on terror. This has set the global media narrative against muslims, most muslims are in the defensive because of the actions of a few muslims. Reducing the argument to being about just "muslims" is incredibly oversimplistic.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Starter said:
Leftists are mostly arts wankers who have no use to society. Fucking hipsters and other degenerate filth. Okay, you going to have a bash at my questions I posed bigbadwoofie?



Garbage like this doesn't deserve to be legitimized with a response. You are talking to a liberal who is also a metal worker. I've done hard labor my entire life. Left-wing politics are the politics of labor. You don't understand that, or much anything else. Unionization, the 40 hour workweek, minimum wages, overtime pay, and labor laws are LEFTIST policies on behalf of labor.

This idea that conservatives are all hard-working business owners, and liberals are all welfare check cashing artsy fartsy moochers with fancy pants degrees... It's cartoonish. Grow the fuck up.



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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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conservatives have no use to society. get rid of them. useless resources squandering hypocrites with no value.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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Bubbles85 said:
I find it amusing, the way you try to be a smart ass, with out even realizing that this applies to you're own post :lol:



i find it amusing that you think that. i'm not the one arguing that all Muslims/refugees (same token) are gonna ruin my country, from them being granted asylum, because they're Muslim/refugee, based on no factual evidence. :shrug:

nor insisting that all Polish speak English and "assimilate" based on zero factual evidence.

also, if i DID want to supply my own anecdotal evidence...you'd still be wrong. :shrug: because i know Polish people whom don't speak English at all. some do not work. some are far too old to worry about assimilating.

Edited by akira_akuma (01/30/16 05:05 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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So can anyone answer for me where it all ends? I've asked a few times now.

I understand that some people think there is an obligation to take in refugees. What I want to know is how far this obligation extends.

Is it right for Sweden to keep taking in refugees until there are more refugees than Swedes? Is it right for women to feel afraid to go outside in their own country?

If not, what will stop the current process before it gets to that point and why?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 1
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there isn't an obligation. it's the right thing to do.

the intent extends to whatever anyone can do within reason.

which is what people are sorting out. and by people, i don't mean the idiots, literally doing nothing to help anyone, ranting about Muslims. they literally are roadblocks to a solution.

no, the refugees should surpass the total population of another country...do you think refugees are just spawning out of thin air? they get taken in, processed, so they can be sent back when their homes are not battlezones.

and women shouldn't have to be afraid; but neither should innocent people be left to die for something that doesn't even involve them and their actions.

the criminal elements entering into countries should be treated like any other criminal element. they should be stopped.

but just because criminal cross our borders, doesn't mean we build a wall...unless you're North Korea or some other bumbling nation of retards. which is arguable that any of these nations aren't exactly like that, but we need to see the idiots get more sympathy from the people whom want to boil things down to easy solutions: like: just close up all borders.



immensely STUPID idea.

Edited by akira_akuma (01/30/16 06:35 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
they get taken in, processed, so they can sent back when their homes are not battlezones.



:rofl:They don't get sent back, though, most of them stay. Do you know anything about how this works?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 1
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of course, they should be sent back. :shrug:

most of them stay? so who leaves? if refugees are leaving, then how are they not sent back? they don't HAVE to leave. if they become citizens, they can be like anyone else in that country. but if they do not, of course they should be sent back; asylum refugees do not have enough to maintain a living outside their country of origin, so they should be willing to go back anyway. send them back. :shrug: i know how this works, maybe better than those under the employ of the government, there, and i don't deny that. but it's obvious that asylum refugees' families, simply cannot survive on the meagre support they get from the government; and if they aren't citizens of the country, and they promote criminal activity, you either send them back, or if their COO doesn't want them, then you put them in jail.

none of this slippery slope hoopla.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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You're talking about what should happen in theory. What I'm telling you is that it's not what's happening in reality.

What's happening in reality is that native Europeans are becoming scared for their future and are increasingly turning to the far right, in droves.

Do you want the far right to return to power in Europe? Because that's what's going to happen if you force them to take millions more Muslims.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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how would that be any of my fault? idiots are idiots. you can't change stupid, when it revolves around fanaticism.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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viktor said:
So can anyone answer for me where it all ends? I've asked a few times now.

I understand that some people think there is an obligation to take in refugees. What I want to know is how far this obligation extends.

Is it right for Sweden to keep taking in refugees until there are more refugees than Swedes? Is it right for women to feel afraid to go outside in their own country?

If not, what will stop the current process before it gets to that point and why?



I think the reason you don't really find your question gets answered is that this is a hypothetical is playing with unrealistic extremes.
The numbers involved to make Europe 50/50 are colossal, that would truly be global war. If the entire Middle East was transported to Europe, it would still be about 20% of the total population of Europe. I told you before that all countries should bear the burden of refugees. If all countries do, then its spread out and the crisis isnt concentrated in one spot.

No I don't think Sweden should become majority refugee. Refugees don't get to pick their countries. The EU can allocate them places according to the ability of EU members to take them. At a local level decisions can be made to work out which towns/cities etc will accept refugees, individual home owners can also make that decision too.

There are a few things that can be done to slow things down.

1. Pushing stronger for peace in countries suffering from war, people wouldnt have to leave their country in the first place.
the current crisis is a sign enough that the wars in the world aren't cool and maybe the Western military-industrial complex is part of the problem.
2. Creating a safe route by land so that people don't drown trying to get across the sea.
3. Funding the UN-run refugee camps properly so there remains some hope there so they don't attempt the journey
4. When resettling refugees, take the most vulnerable who are more likely to be in the UN-run camps, maybe this will show there is an incentive to allow a process to go on that offers resettlement from within the UN camps.
5. It's essential to have Greece and Turkey on board here. The coast guard must be increased, and the people smugglers should be seriously fucked up. The weak link in the chain here is Turkey. If we sideline Greece then Greece will become like the Calais Jungle.
6. All refugee/asylum seekers/economic migrants should be processed very early on. Clear economic migrants should be deported immediately.
7. Women, children, LGBT, disabled and families should be given priority, single adult male numbers should be controlled better. There could be the option to send them to new UN refugee camps within Europe or abroad.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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viktor said:
Do you want the far right to return to power in Europe? Because that's what's going to happen if you force them to take millions more Muslims.



There are thousands of Christians coming with these refugees too you know. That doesnt matter. The label the right uses is revolving. thirdworlder, muslim, migrant, etc

but your point still stands that the right wing will only become stronger and stronger with these influxes


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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viktor said:
akira_akuma said:
they get taken in, processed, so they can sent back when their homes are not battlezones.



:rofl:They don't get sent back, though, most of them stay. Do you know anything about how this works?



yeh they don't get sent back. They aren't just waiting in stasis until they can go home, they would have built lives in their new country by the time Syria is at peace. They will be citizens.

But i think a strong diaspora is important and can be very effective. A strong diaspora means that peace can be pushed for directly and when things are stable again, there are opportunities for the diaspora to directly rebuild their own countries. There is a strong Syrian diaspora in DC some of whom i met as the war was starting. It is reasonable to expect that some would move back.

identity is an important factor in all this. Refugee families, however established/integrated in their new countries, will always have a connection to their origin.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
but your point still stands that the right wing will only become stronger and stronger with these influxes



I'm glad you can accept that the policy you're pushing is directly strengthening the far right.

Next step: do you understand that directly strengthening the far right is likely to lead Europe back to war? If war returns to Europe the migrants there now are going to be in very, very bad shape.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
how would that be anyones* fault? idiots are idiots. you can't change stupid, when it revolves around fanaticism.



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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:

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And....are you only talking about criminal Muslims all of a sudden? I never even said a word about it myself...



This whole thread is essentially about Muslim invading criminals and the only mob standing up against them is the so called "far right". I see at least some Swedes have the courage to fight back against the invaders and save the honor of Sweden. Clearly real men, not cowardly leftists who spread their butt cheeks for tolerance.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/12131460/swedish-far-right-migrant-attack-stockholm.html

A mob of up to a hundred black-clad masked men went on a rampage in central Stockholm on Friday evening, singling out and beating up immigrants, and handing out leaflets threatening further violent attacks against unaccompanied refugee youths.

The march, some of which was captured on camera, was the first violent reaction by far-Right groups to the murder on Monday of social worker Alexandra Mezher by a Somali refugee. It has been linked to Swedish football gangs the Firman Boys (AIK) and DFG (Djurgården).


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Starter]
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^ you're absurd.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Starter]
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Starter said:
A mob of up to a hundred black-clad masked men went on a rampage in central Stockholm on Friday evening, singling out and beating up immigrants, and handing out leaflets threatening further violent attacks against unaccompanied refugee youths.

The march, some of which was captured on camera, was the first violent reaction by far-Right groups to the murder on Monday of social worker Alexandra Mezher by a Somali refugee. It has been linked to Swedish football gangs the Firman Boys (AIK) and DFG (Djurgården).




From now on, any attack by an immigrant against a European is going to result in some angry consequences.

To think we could have prevented all this just simply by listening to those who warned us 10 years ago, instead of screaming 'racist' at them.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:

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chime in on what? most of what you are talking about is unintelligible but perhaps i'm not edumacated enough :shrug:
why did you refer to my degree with italics? are you implying that i dont really have a politics degree? Perhaps you can tell us about your education?

what arts bollocks are you talking about?



Politics degrees are bullshit arts degrees that do what, exactly? Real degrees are medicine, science/math and engineering, which add to our technology and development. Hence why my posts are unintelligible to you.

Now I asked bigbadwoofie to answer on the following (in bold), since he was of the view that right-wingers hate those that have an education because apparently they don't have one. He fled because I undressed him. You will too, Mr arts degree man. :laugh:

I will pose these questions to you and they’re relevant to this thread, since no end of the invaders have come from Africa. In 1950 the African population was 228,902,000. In 2015 it was 1,186,178,000 (Source: http://esa.un.org/unpd/wpp/Download/Standard/Population/ : File: WPP2015_POP_F01_1_TOTAL_POPULATION_BOTH_SEXES.XLS).

Can you tell me:
1.) what their percentage of growth is over the said time-series?
2.) their intrinsic growth?
3.) how many can decant infinitum to Europe per year without lowering the source population?


So feeling up to some demographic math modeling? The numbers will destroy all of the lib'tard nonsense in this thread about letting in this endless scourge. I'll give you 3 days to crunch it and then I'll give the answers to this thread  if you fail (which you will :wink: ).

Point stands: Only scientists/engineers can inform policy on issues such as immigration, not emotive arts lib'tards, as demonstrated in this thread.


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