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Conspire
verb (used without object), conspired, conspiring.
1.
to agree together, especially secretly, to do something wrong, evil, or illegal:
They conspired to kill the king.
2.
to act or work together toward the same result or goal.
verb (used with object), conspired, conspiring.
3.
to plot (something wrong, evil, or illegal).

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Conspiracy
noun, plural conspiracies.
1.
the act of conspiring.
2.
an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3.
a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose:
He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4.
Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5.
any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

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conspiracy theory
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noun
1.
a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.
2.
the idea that many important political events or economic and social trends are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.

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Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

qman said:

Tip has been shown a million times these invaders aren't even refugees, it makes no difference.

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The EU needs to take a very hard stance against this shit now. IMO. We've got no choice. Enough is enough.

There just taking the piss.

They've only just managed to work out, what the general populace have know all along. Idiots. Most of them are just free loaders, thats now evident.

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I never said that some people who arent refugees are taking advantage of these movements of people combined with the incompetence of EU management. That does not mean that accepting genuine refugees is a mistake, it shows the EU as a whole and individual states are terrible at managing it.

The key word in what the EU commissioner said was "now"

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More than half of the people now coming to Europe come from countries where you can assume they have no reason whatsoever to ask for refugee status … more than half, 60 percent.

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These are opportunists taking advantage of the situation, you always will get this. This does not mean that 60% of all the arrivals were economic migrants.

Obviously these people will be deported, that is the responsibility of our governments. Germany alone has been trying to make its deportation system even more efficient so that those who are denied refugee status can be repatriated and that those people trying to come from kosovo or macedonia are sent back.

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fennel acid tones said:

Enlil, I know arguing semantics is your trade, but it could doubtlessly be construed that Hitler, at many times, conspired to do many things with his colleagues and subordinates.  The re-appropriation of the term to define fringe theory in government is aside from its true definition.

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Enlil said:

Hitler didn't conspire.  Hitler gave orders.  A conspiracy requires that people agree to something.

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qman said:

Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

qman said:

Tip has been shown a million times these invaders aren't even refugees, it makes no difference.

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The EU needs to take a very hard stance against this shit now. IMO. We've got no choice. Enough is enough.

There just taking the piss.

They've only just managed to work out, what the general populace have know all along. Idiots. Most of them are just free loaders, thats now evident.

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I never said that some people who arent refugees are taking advantage of these movements of people combined with the incompetence of EU management. That does not mean that accepting genuine refugees is a mistake, it shows the EU as a whole and individual states are terrible at managing it.

The key word in what the EU commissioner said was "now"

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More than half of the people now coming to Europe come from countries where you can assume they have no reason whatsoever to ask for refugee status … more than half, 60 percent.

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These are opportunists taking advantage of the situation, you always will get this. This does not mean that 60% of all the arrivals were economic migrants.

Obviously these people will be deported, that is the responsibility of our governments. Germany alone has been trying to make its deportation system even more efficient so that those who are denied refugee status can be repatriated and that those people trying to come from kosovo or macedonia are sent back.

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"incompetent EU management"

Of course you blame the managerial aspect of this mess, guess what?  An open border policy isn't manageable!!

"Obviously these people will be deported"

Why even go through the hassle of trying to deport these people?  Close the border and rethink the whole dam policy.

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I agree, Merkels party might be center right, but its Liberal ideology that keeps an open door policy in place. Which clearly isn't working.

They should now be turning the 60% of economic migrants back, before they even get a chance to step foot on European soil.
The people who have come and have no right to be here, should be repatriated and all people coming on boats by sea, should be stopped before they reach the shore, put on sea worthy vessels by the military and returned to where they came from.

Stopping them from coming entirely by closing the boarders, is the only way to put an end to this complete and utter madness.

If the door remains open, this will never stop

Tipote said:

just a question for you guys.. do you think you could secure the borders of Europe?

The convention on refugees of 1951 and 67 says that refugees have protection by which ever country.

I think a land route into Europe must be made in order to reduce the deaths, and to make screening refugees easier.

that, combined with taking people directly from the UN refugee camps, would at least direct the influx to better deal with it. If we give incentive for those coming to instead stay in the UN refugee camps then it will give people enough of a prospect of hope

Smugglers are always going to bring refugees, you cannot seal the border 100%. Smugglers are gna smuggle.

The Australian model is not transferable to Europe and its also shit. There are numerous atrocities going on in Aussie offshore detention centres. The policy has been denounced by most of the world.

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don't invade a sovereign nation

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qman said:

"could secure the borders of Europe"
Yes, it there's a will there's a way.

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"The convention of refugees"
Who cares what a UN treaty says when total chaos is taking place?

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"I think a land route into Europe must be made"

I disagree, a route should be made towards their homelands.

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"you cannot seal the border 100%"

That's true, but 99.9% will satisfy the native population.

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"The Australian model...shit"

Sealing the border from invaders isn't shit, the fact that these illegals are not satisfied with their detention is too bad, don't invade a sovereign nation and there's nothing to worry about.

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