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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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What extremist right wing parties have almost ruined Europe?

The nazis?

Nazi literally means national socialist.  The Nazis were left wing.

The extreme right is Anarchism.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins]
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errr.. no.. complete opposite.

or is it opposite day?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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You're wrong.

The Nazis were socialists/fascists.  Like you guys.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins]
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Today

Right wing = smaller government, free markets.

Left wing = bigger government, command economy.


The Nazis had a big government and a command economy.


The farthest right you can go is Anarchism,  which is a complete lack og government (smaller government) and completely free markets (free markets)


You have been swallowing more leftist nonsense.  They will never admit that nazis were left wing because they fancy themselves heros.  But hey so did the nazis.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
errr.. no.. complete opposite.

or is it opposite day?




In libtard land every day is opposite day.  Ever heard of double speak?  You should have.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
qman said:
Bubbles85 said:
A subhuman, is an inferior human being. As in, the new race eventually created through mass immigration and miscegenation, will be inferior to the political elite and therefor easy to command or control.

When I say the founding father, i mean the founder of the European Union, Richard Coundenhove Kalerig.
Kalergi is still considered by the political elite as a pioneer in European integration and his guiding principals, are the basis, for some of the policies that are still in place today.

In 1933 he wrote and published a book called "Practical Idealism". In the book contained a paragraph that quoted -

"The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals."

The book is now heavily censored in Europe and is impossible to get.

This book, is what is prompting people to question the true motives toward the political elites continued plan, of importing millions of immigrants from the Third World into the West.

Every two years, high ranking political leaders within the EU, who have excelled in promoting Kalergi's ideologies are award a prize, known as the Coudenhove-Kalergi Prize, or Charlemagne Prize. Angela Merkel and Herman Van Rompuy are among the most recent winners.



Merkel and her family better have top level personal security because German's don't play that game, she made a major miscalculation.



Sounds like a bunch of conspiracy nuttery, tbh. I don't delve into that sort of thing. It's the sort of fear mongering tin-foil hattery that drives people to the right. Right-wing politics are driven by conspiracy theory garbage these days.



The invasion isn't a conspiracy and that's what really matters at the end of the day, EU citizens never wanted this nonsense and it was forced down their throats, that is going to cause serious ramifications down the road, even the liberals will be jumping on the bandwagon before it's all said and done.



And this is why the title of this thread is applicable. Extremist right wing politics have torn Europe to pieces in the past, and they will do so again if this issue is not dealt with in an extremely delicate manner, which it likely will not be, as we are seeing.

Of course, turmoil in Europe is what made the American economy so powerful in the first place. I see America's future, whatever happens, as being brighter than that of Europe. This may be wishful thinking though, because America played a much more hands off role in the world in the 1930's, up until Pearl Harbor. Since then our non-interventionalist attitude has changed into its polar opposite. We will likely be a key player, and a major target in this process, if war breaks out in the EU.

Something big is on the horizon. We all can feel it. Economic uncertainty and political unrest will be the signature of our era, as was the case in the early 20th century. The resemblance is striking. Hopefully we will learn from some of our past mistakes.



But what is tearing the EU apart today by allowing it to be flooded with a bunch of third world forgniers?  LEFT WING poltics!!

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins] * 3
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Shins said:
What extremist right wing parties have almost ruined Europe?

The nazis?

Nazi literally means national socialist.  The Nazis were left wing.

The extreme right is Anarchism.



North Korea calls themselves democratic, but that doesn't mean they are.

Right wing and conservative don't actually mean the same thing. The Nazis were definitely far-right. Just a few examples:

  • Left wing ideology, and especially socialism, tends to favor egalitarianism and equality. This is explicitly rejected by the Nazi party in favor of racism and classism.
  • Far right policies tend to be anti-immigration and anti-integration, clearly something the Nazis favored.
  • Similar to above, far right groups tend to be fiercely traditionalistic, which the Nazis were.
  • Nazis opposed the two major economic trends of the time capitalism and Marxist socialism. They created "National Socialism" which aimed to defend private property and business of the Germans, but exclude others.
  • Far right groups are characterized by authoritarian principles, which were obviously embraced by the Nazis. Mein Kampf explicitly rejects parliamentary democracy.


Keep in mind, the horseshoe theory, which is widely accepted, states that the far-right and far-left are more alike with each other than with moderates.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: BoldAsLove]
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Nice job redefining terms. 

Their is nothing more authoritarian than the left.

The Nazis were National Socialists.  Of course they protected their own nationals.  That doesn't make them any less socialist.  They were protectionist socialists.  Duh.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: zappaisgod]
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You share the same economic policy as the nazis, you only differ in social preferences.

In some ways "happy" nazis are even scarier. Like insane clowns.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins]
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Nazis shared similar social policies of today's right, but shared similar economic policy with today's left.


In today's terms:

Nazis - socially right wing, economically left wing

Modern liberals - socially left wing, economically left wing.

Modern conservatives - socially right wing, economically right wing

Modern libertarians (or classic liberals) - socially left wing, economically right wing.


Libertarians are the farthest from Nazis put of the above.

The rest of you have Nazi-like tendencies.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins] * 2
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Shins said:
Libertarians are the farthest from Nazis put of the above.




There's more to politics than "being least like the Nazis."


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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I know, I was just saying.  The topic of nazis came up and I was doing a little compare/contrast.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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viktor said:
Shins said:
Libertarians are the farthest from Nazis put of the above.




There's more to politics than "being least like the Nazis."



Yes.

You guys probably know about the Political Compass already, but try it out if you haven't.  Mine has changed a bit since I was in school in the early aughts, as back then I was well below the vertical 0, in the libertarian, whereas now it says I'm a slight authoritarian... who knew.  Human society is a harsh environment.


Edited by fennel acid tones (01/19/16 02:10 AM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: fennel acid tones]
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I've always been in the libertarian left and it's never changed.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: fennel acid tones] * 1
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Left, Right

Any system of government can work phenomenally
None of them do
Because humans are corrupt


Shit in, Shit out

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
You share the same economic policy as the nazis,



No I don't.  The Nazi government controlled everything.  You, on the other hand, share their hatred for Jews.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Nazis shared similar social policies of today's right, but shared similar economic policy with today's left.


In today's terms:

Nazis - socially right wing, economically left wing

Modern liberals - socially left wing, economically left wing.

Modern conservatives - socially right wing, economically right wing

Modern libertarians (or classic liberals) - socially left wing, economically right wing.


Libertarians are the farthest from Nazis put of the above.

The rest of you have Nazi-like tendencies.



How nice to have professor Shins around.  Until that isolationist idiot L. Ron Paul and his army of sophomore nitwits co-opted the word I described myself as libertarian.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: zappaisgod]
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Quote:
The majority of scholars identify Nazism in practice as a form of far-right politics.[8] Far-right themes in Nazism include the argument that superior people have a right to dominate over other people and purge society of supposed inferior elements.[9] Adolf Hitler and other proponents officially portrayed Nazism as being neither left- nor right-wing, but syncretic.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Position_in_the_political_spectrum

The Nazis were not left wing.

BoldAsLove said:
Shins said:
What extremist right wing parties have almost ruined Europe?

The nazis?

Nazi literally means national socialist.  The Nazis were left wing.

The extreme right is Anarchism.



North Korea calls themselves democratic, but that doesn't mean they are.

Right wing and conservative don't actually mean the same thing. The Nazis were definitely far-right. Just a few examples:

  • Left wing ideology, and especially socialism, tends to favor egalitarianism and equality. This is explicitly rejected by the Nazi party in favor of racism and classism.
  • Far right policies tend to be anti-immigration and anti-integration, clearly something the Nazis favored.
  • Similar to above, far right groups tend to be fiercely traditionalistic, which the Nazis were.
  • Nazis opposed the two major economic trends of the time capitalism and Marxist socialism. They created "National Socialism" which aimed to defend private property and business of the Germans, but exclude others.
  • Far right groups are characterized by authoritarian principles, which were obviously embraced by the Nazis. Mein Kampf explicitly rejects parliamentary democracy.


Keep in mind, the horseshoe theory, which is widely accepted, states that the far-right and far-left are more alike with each other than with moderates.



this


zappaisgod said:
Shins said:
You share the same economic policy as the nazis,



No I don't.  The Nazi government controlled everything.  You, on the other hand, share their hatred for Jews.



lol zappa, very true - especially the part about Shins and the Jews.. :lol:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tip hates the Jews too, does that make him a Nazi also?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
But what is tearing the EU apart today by allowing it to be flooded with a bunch of third world forgniers?  LEFT WING poltics!!



which left wing governments are responsible for the influx of migrants and refugees?
Europe is more right wing rather than left.

Even Merkel is from a centre right party. The UK has a centre right party
France is socialist in name only.

There is a clear shift towards the empowerment of right wing parties. Popularity for them is growing.
Though I would say as well there are left wing groups gaining popularity though this is less significant than on the right.
The Labour party in the UK which has been pretty centre more or less, is undergoing a massive return to its leftist roots.

Perhaps the trend is towards increasing polarisation with people moving away from the centre.

anyway, no one - except maybe Merkel (centre right)- "allowed" Europe to be "flooded", as you put it.

Refugees were always going to come, this has been obvious for years. EU governments ignored it until they couldnt any more.


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