All We Perceive said:

Yeah, we should have just gone the single payer system.  That seemed to be Obama's plan from the gate but apparently he switched his views to be more conforming to what the right wanted.

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  Obamacare makes a broken system even more broken.  Health care costs are skyrocketing and health insurance isn't exactly "easily obtainable."  While for the rich, little changes, for the uninsured, they get even more fucked by all of this.  There is little advantage to actually working these days as the benefits are only subtly more beneficial than just chillin all day on government aid.

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the uninsured rate has been falling since the fourth quarter of 2013, after hitting an all-time high of 18.0% in the third quarter -- a sign that the Affordable Care Act, commonly referred to as "Obamacare," appears to be accomplishing its goal of increasing the percentage of Americans with health insurance coverage.

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nicechrisman said:

I agree single payer is the direction we need to go.

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Prisoner#1 said:

nicechrisman said:

I agree single payer is the direction we need to go.

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really? you'd trust government with health care after this shit?

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All We Perceive said:

What fantasy land did you live in where insurers gobbled up people with serious pre-existing conditions without charging exorbitant rates?

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The system is broken not because there is some dramatic rise in uninsured.  The system is broken because the insurance people can actually afford actually doesn't promote preventative care because of ridiculous premiums that renders the insured basically uninsured for something that isn't catastrophic.

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Not to mention, there is a huge gap in coverage where lots of people simply can still not afford insurance at all in states such as yours that didn't expand medicaid.  If we're parceling fault here, whose fault was that anyways?

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All We Perceive said:

Prisoner#1 said:

nicechrisman said:

I agree single payer is the direction we need to go.

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really? you'd trust government with health care after this shit?

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So what is your solution, pris?  Go back to the old system where health care was provided on the backs of the poor?

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omegafaust said:

Remove the corporations. free healthcare is very possible. we are just a money hungry society.  There is no reason healthcare should cost anything.

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I dunno, where did you get the idea that I didnt mention that they already payed high rates, now they pay even higher rates. clearly you didnt read what I had said

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where the hell did you get this idea, every policy I ever had paid 100%
for preventative care and encouraged you to get check ups every 6 mos
because that is the kind of shit that keeps them paying $200 to a doctor
as opposed to $100,000 to a surgeon.

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it certainly looks like you bought into the bullshit from the left

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you mean cant afford it like myself, now... I could afford it a couple of
years ago, I cant afford it now. my premiums went from $327/mo to $475/mo
to $590/mo... now who's fault was that since I dont have medical claims,
never had to take my kids to the doctors

BTW... obama cut federal spending on medicare/medicaid with obamacare, so
yeah, keep on cheerleading for team obama but at least get the shit
straight so you understand why the states havent picked up his slack

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The average increase for Obamacare plans will be 8.2 percent next year in 29 states and the District of Columbia where data about health insurance premiums for 2015 are available, according to PricewaterhouseCoopers, which has conducted the most thorough review to date. That's significant, but it's a little lower than the 10 percent annual rate hikes typical before the Affordable Care Act, according to a recent analysis published by the Commonwealth Fund.

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Since the ACA was passed in 2010, those premiums have gone up 5.9 percent on average per year, while in the five years before the ACA, premiums went up 4.8 percent on average per year. Not exactly “skyrocketing.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/us/politics/medicare-and-medicaid-face-320-billion-in-cuts-over-10-years.html?_r=0
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-03-06/obamacares-surprise-medicare-cut
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2013/04/15/obamacare-to-slash-hundreds-of-billions-from-medicare-advantage-over-next-10-years/

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Texas will lose $9.2 billion in 2022; Florida says goodbye to $5 billion; Georgia is out $4.9 billion. A new report details just how much states are losing because they don’t want to expand Medicaid under Obamacare, and it’s not chump change.

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and... as was stated numerous times by the conservatives.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2013/12/02/doctors-facing-a-24-pay-cut-in-both-medicare-and-medicaid-reimbursements/

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Okay, and?  I know plenty of doctors that will accept medicare AND medicaid. 

Prisoner#1 said:

All We Perceive said:

Prisoner#1 said:

nicechrisman said:

I agree single payer is the direction we need to go.

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really? you'd trust government with health care after this shit?

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So what is your solution, pris?  Go back to the old system where health care was provided on the backs of the poor?

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explain that one

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Prisoner#1 said:

zZZz said:

All you people have to do is not pay..

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in order to not pay you have to quit working, of course then you could get medicaid

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All We Perceive said:

Prisoner#1 said:

All We Perceive said:

Prisoner#1 said:

really? you'd trust government with health care after this shit?

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So what is your solution, pris?  Go back to the old system where health care was provided on the backs of the poor?

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explain that one

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Simple enough.  The insured had insurance; insurance paid but a lesser amount due to contracts between insurers and health care providers.  Those who were uninsured were forced to pay exorbitant, way more than reasonable prices because so many people opted not to pay for their healthcare because it was already too expensive and because health care facilities could charge them face due to the lack of contractual obligation found in the insurance context.  This cycled around for a while increasingly raising the prices so mostly only those who had insurance could afford to pay.  Those still able to pay out of pocket were forced to pay out the ass for health care.  To this day, health care costs are the highest reason for bankruptcy.

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All We Perceive said:

Yeah, we should have just gone the single payer system.  That seemed to be Obama's plan from the gate but apparently he switched his views to be more conforming to what the right wanted.    Obamacare makes a broken system even more broken.  Health care costs are skyrocketing and health insurance isn't exactly "easily obtainable."  While for the rich, little changes, for the uninsured, they get even more fucked by all of this.  There is little advantage to actually working these days as the benefits are only subtly more beneficial than just chillin all day on government aid.

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PatrickKn said:

Well, it's going to be either 1% of your income, or $95 for the whole year. It will double next year to 2% or $235.

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Prisoner#1 said:

I have a $32,000 bill for my daughter's broken
arm. a couple of years ago this may have cost me $3000

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