fbi365 said:

can someone please explain i2p and the use of bittorrent to me?  or link to a useful tek?

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Bittorrent is extremely easy to use. Just download the client. Then (lets say you were using it to DL music) you google "Band X Song Y Torrent" Click on a link, then click on a magnet link (It'll look like a magnet )

Then wait.

nice1returns said:

Tor can be tapped in many ways.

Exit node monitoring, SSH monitoring and DNS resolution.  Probably more secret exploits too.

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nice1returns said:

I meant the client machine could still be spied on in other ways, by anything TBH but someone accessing remotely via SSH is a common hack and example.  People use metasploit nowadays more though I spose?

I'd use tor or a chain proxy or both to hide my IP.  Its good stuff

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altitudes said:

Do you guys feel that accessing the deep web in a way enables the other fucked up shit that goes on with it?

My understanding of onion routing might be flawed, so maybe I have the wrong idea. But it seems like the network is made up from all the different people that access it and it wouldn't be able to exist without enough people, at least to any degree of poignant anonymity.

I guess there will always be people accessing it now, and will exist whether I log on or not, but I don't like to feel that I'm contributing to child exploitation and such.

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As Shroomism pointed out, it's not only dark marketplaces. TOR provides those in countries with no freedom of internet to be able to speak their minds without fear of being tortured and killed. It provides a huge service.
The good outweighs the bad imo, and that is the price of freedom.

The CP people are going to be caught eventually, through old fashioned police work - and that is how it should be.
Never give up freedoms for safety. It doesn't work that way.
The think of the children argument is a mental cop-out.

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I don't really think it's a mental cop out at all. People have been discussing ends and means for a long time and this at least somewhat falls under the dilemma. It's something I've been thinking a lot about lately actually, along with a gradual change in my perspective relative to the suffering of others.

A few years ago I would have easily told you that in this case the ends certainly justify the means, but these days I'm not so cock sure about everything in general really.

Personally, my life has been an overdose of having to watch myself and other people suffer, to the point where it's so much harder for me to say because "X" benefits these people it's ok to let another people suffer.

To me, that's the cop out, and it's all good until you're the one that's marginalized.

I don't know, I'm just completely fed up with the supposed "ying yang" of it all I guess, haha. Life causing suffering to other life as a stipulation of existence has just gotten old all togoddamngether.

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XUL said:

shadyy said:

akira_akuma said:

weird experiment with humans? what kind? what the fuck? 

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right?

I've heard of the others, but human experimentation?

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Yes. The poster needs to tell us what he found.

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I think most of it is just either conspiracy or made up. But what if riiight?
I've read about the how people would open people up alive to see how organs worked and how the government did experiments on humans. But everyone knows about that stuff.
There were some people who would experiment using bleach for abortions.

I honestly only read about what others have found. But from whats on the dark web, I wouldn't be surprised if illegal human experiments happened and were documented on the web.

I don't wanna stumble upon something I really did not want to see.. Likke gross porn or gore.

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ThatKidWithTheFace said:

fbi365 said:

can someone please explain i2p and the use of bittorrent to me?  or link to a useful tek?

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Bittorrent is extremely easy to use. Just download the client. Then (lets say you were using it to DL music) you google "Band X Song Y Torrent" Click on a link, then click on a magnet link (It'll look like a magnet )

Then wait.

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I know how to use bittorrent lol  What I meant to ask is how to use it with i2p?  To anonymize your torrent activity?  bittorrent doesn't really work with tor.

tymoteusz3 said:

nice1returns said:

I meant the client machine could still be spied on in other ways, by anything TBH but someone accessing remotely via SSH is a common hack and example.  People use metasploit nowadays more though I spose?

I'd use tor or a chain proxy or both to hide my IP.  Its good stuff

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No the client machine cannot be spied on if you are using TOR provided of course you use the TOR browser, keep JS disabled, and do not open attachments (or open them in a sandboxed machine).
Fortunately it seems TOR is still unbreakable. Which makes sense.

A chain proxy is kind of useless as you are only as strong as your chain of proxies.
You have to place trust in them to protect you. And while they may not be keeping logs currently, they could be subpenaed to and you would have no idea.
TOR is a lot stronger and is based upon unbreakable at this time encryption. TOR is also decentralized - this is KEY to creating safety. Centralization provides a weak point where LEO can target and start to track you.

Your safest bet if you have something to be worried about (eg: if you were selling drugs on TOR) is to create a sandbox computer that uses a security sandboxed OS (Whonix / Tails) that routes all traffic through TOR.
That way you are safe from even opening attachments, as all connections get routed through TOR.
AND ENCRYPT ALL COMMUNICATIONS. Your key should be 2048 bit or greater. This is so easy to do there is NO excuse for not doing it.

altitudes said:

Do you guys feel that accessing the deep web in a way enables the other fucked up shit that goes on with it?

My understanding of onion routing might be flawed, so maybe I have the wrong idea. But it seems like the network is made up from all the different people that access it and it wouldn't be able to exist without enough people, at least to any degree of poignant anonymity.

I guess there will always be people accessing it now, and will exist whether I log on or not, but I don't like to feel that I'm contributing to child exploitation and such.

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It wouldn't be able to exist if there was not enough people, you are right.
And you are right it enables some sickos to trade CP. But it also does a lot of good.
As Shroomism pointed out, it's not only dark marketplaces. TOR provides those in countries with no freedom of internet to be able to speak their minds without fear of being tortured and killed. It provides a huge service.
The good outweighs the bad imo, and that is the price of freedom.

The CP people are going to be caught eventually, through old fashioned police work - and that is how it should be.
Never give up freedoms for safety. It doesn't work that way.
The think of the children argument is a mental cop-out.

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fbi365 said:

ThatKidWithTheFace said:

fbi365 said:

can someone please explain i2p and the use of bittorrent to me?  or link to a useful tek?

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Bittorrent is extremely easy to use. Just download the client. Then (lets say you were using it to DL music) you google "Band X Song Y Torrent" Click on a link, then click on a magnet link (It'll look like a magnet )

Then wait.

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I know how to use bittorrent lol  What I meant to ask is how to use it with i2p?  To anonymize your torrent activity?  bittorrent doesn't really work with tor.

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Oh I was wondering "who the fuck can't operate bittorrent?"

nice1returns said:

Tor can be tapped in many ways.

Exit node monitoring, SSH monitoring and DNS resolution.  Probably more secret exploits too.

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Soulidarity said:

Yes and I also heard there were closed or high access parts of th web that one cannot just connect to like tor etc

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fbi365 said:

I know how to use bittorrent lol  What I meant to ask is how to use it with i2p?  To anonymize your torrent activity?  bittorrent doesn't really work with tor.

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fbi365 said:

I recall recent news of NSA monitoring of tor proxy servers, somewhere in germany, i believe.  Tor traffic is being monitored by the US government.

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nooneman said:

There was a researcher who was going to demonstrate tor exploits that could unmask hidden services, but his demonstration was called off apparently due to some government interference. I'd say it's likely that the NSA has tor cracked right now, but it's getting better all the time, and it's doubtful they'd use that info for anything aside from large scale stuff.

The government actually uses tor itself, for all sorts of stuff, so there's a part of the government that tries to pass along info about exploits to the tor project to keep it secure even as another part tries to find and use exploits to make it unsecure.

Regardless, an individual user buying some drugs on SR2 isn't going to be raided by the NSA.

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tymoteusz3 said:

fbi365 said:

I recall recent news of NSA monitoring of tor proxy servers, somewhere in germany, i believe.  Tor traffic is being monitored by the US government.

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Tor traffic can be monitored all it wants.
It's heavily encrypted and the encryption has not been broken.
Therefore there is no risk.

The risk is when you go to a clearnet site that has to leave through an exit node. Those can be controlled by the NSA, but again, if your session is protected by valid SSH you have nothing to worry about, the only identifiable piece will be the domain you are going to on the clearnet.

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