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The myth of economic immobility in the US
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http://reason.com/archives/2014/04/10/the-myth-of-economic-immobilit

Just found a new article that completely debunks the leftist tripe that no one in america can move up. Discuss intelligently.


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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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I dont see how this debunks anything. I have no opinion on this topic one way or the other.

But from an impartial view, that is a garbage article, it doesnt prove anything. All it mentions is a paper written that they dont even properly source. They dont linky to it at all even.

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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: EdibleStereos]
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You can go up anywhere on earth. In America nowadays, because of the recession, you need to work harder at it. Recessions are great for the rich, it allows them to buy a shit ton of investment at very low prices (at the cost of the poor who can't afford their payment anymore). So the poor needs to work extra hard to go up, but it is still very possible.


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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
http://reason.com/archives/2014/04/10/the-myth-of-economic-immobilit

Just found a new article that completely debunks the leftist tripe that no one in america can move up. Discuss intelligently.


No need to find an article demonstrating the right wing tripe that lefties believe no one in America can move up.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: Patlal] * 2
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Last year I made around 14k. This year I made around 90k.

Myth indeed :smug:


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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 1
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I've never heard of or met anyone who believes that you cannot move up in economic class in the US.

Every statistic I've seen on the matter has indicated that it is increasingly difficult to do so however and by percentage less are moving up in class than before. I'll dig up some stats and post later if no one beats me to it, don't feel like doing so this very second.

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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
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Repertoire89 said:
I've never heard of or met anyone who believes that you cannot move up in economic class in the US.

Every statistic I've seen on the matter has indicated that it is increasingly difficult to do so however and by percentage less are moving up in class than before. I'll dig up some stats and post later if no one beats me to it, don't feel like doing so this very second.


This. But you know, it's all or nothing with some people. No such thing as shades.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: JesusIsLord]
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JesusIsLord said:
Last year I made around 14k. This year I made around 90k.

Myth indeed :smug:



90k is still a drop in the bucket. I lived in a town where a 250k/year salary was considered bad.

But this is sort of what the big timers want people to think is wealthy, they'd love people to be happy with 90k/year, when they pull ten times that, the really wealthy pull a hundred times that a year.

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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: EdibleStereos]
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EdibleStereos said:
JesusIsLord said:
Last year I made around 14k. This year I made around 90k.

Myth indeed :smug:



90k is still a drop in the bucket. I lived in a town where a 250k/year salary was considered bad.

But this is sort of what the big timers want people to think is wealthy, they'd love people to be happy with 90k/year, when they pull ten times that, the really wealthy pull a hundred times that a year.


Sure I mean I want more but I live extremely simply, no kids, no significant bills besides rent/food. And I don't intend to change that, ever. So for me life is good, as long as I can afford a few nice things here and there I'm happy :shrug:

Eventually the big expense for me will be getting a weld rig setup. But still, the average income in america is like 35k a year so 90 is still legit, IMHO.


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And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: JesusIsLord]
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JesusIsLord said:
EdibleStereos said:
JesusIsLord said:
Last year I made around 14k. This year I made around 90k.

Myth indeed :smug:



90k is still a drop in the bucket. I lived in a town where a 250k/year salary was considered bad.

But this is sort of what the big timers want people to think is wealthy, they'd love people to be happy with 90k/year, when they pull ten times that, the really wealthy pull a hundred times that a year.


Sure I mean I want more but I live extremely simply, no kids, no significant bills besides rent/food. And I don't intend to change that, ever. So for me life is good, as long as I can afford a few nice things here and there I'm happy :shrug:

Eventually the big expense for me will be getting a weld rig setup. But still, the average income in america is like 35k a year so 90 is still legit, IMHO.


Oh for sure man. To people 90k is fucking great. I'd love to make 90k a year.

But for the wealthy, it's nothing, and thats how they want it. Theyd love for us to think 100k/year is wealthy, but compared to the people who have mass wealth, they know they are just pacifying the public.

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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
http://reason.com/archives/2014/04/10/the-myth-of-economic-immobilit

Just found a new article that completely debunks the leftist tripe that no one in america can move up. Discuss intelligently.


God, right left herr derr herr shut up

Go outside and appreciate the world instead of doing this


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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: JesusIsLord]
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90 is legit, almost a 5% er.In all sincerity, awesome. I hate seeing stories of sadness here like poor af in his thread
Still, 3 people for every 1 job
I know libertarians wanna believe the americon dream, I do too. We shoud live in a meritocracy
will read article later, am not hopeful considering what usually see


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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: EdibleStereos]
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EdibleStereos said:
JesusIsLord said:
Last year I made around 14k. This year I made around 90k.

Myth indeed :smug:



90k is still a drop in the bucket. I lived in a town where a 250k/year salary was considered bad.


What town?
Quote:
But this is sort of what the big timers want people to think is wealthy, they'd love people to be happy with 90k/year, when they pull ten times that, the really wealthy pull a hundred times that a year.


They don't give a fuck what you think.  Why should they?  You can't do shit about it.


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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: propensity]
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propensity said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
http://reason.com/archives/2014/04/10/the-myth-of-economic-immobilit

Just found a new article that completely debunks the leftist tripe that no one in america can move up. Discuss intelligently.


God, right left herr derr herr shut up

Go outside and appreciate the world instead of doing this


:lol: I should follow your advice

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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: EdibleStereos]
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EdibleStereos said:
JesusIsLord said:
Last year I made around 14k. This year I made around 90k.

Myth indeed :smug:



90k is still a drop in the bucket. I lived in a town where a 250k/year salary was considered bad.

But this is sort of what the big timers want people to think is wealthy, they'd love people to be happy with 90k/year, when they pull ten times that, the really wealthy pull a hundred times that a year.


You must be from my home town.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: EdibleStereos]
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EdibleStereos said:
JesusIsLord said:
EdibleStereos said:
JesusIsLord said:
Last year I made around 14k. This year I made around 90k.

Myth indeed :smug:



90k is still a drop in the bucket. I lived in a town where a 250k/year salary was considered bad.

But this is sort of what the big timers want people to think is wealthy, they'd love people to be happy with 90k/year, when they pull ten times that, the really wealthy pull a hundred times that a year.


Sure I mean I want more but I live extremely simply, no kids, no significant bills besides rent/food. And I don't intend to change that, ever. So for me life is good, as long as I can afford a few nice things here and there I'm happy :shrug:

Eventually the big expense for me will be getting a weld rig setup. But still, the average income in america is like 35k a year so 90 is still legit, IMHO.


Oh for sure man. To people 90k is fucking great. I'd love to make 90k a year.

But for the wealthy, it's nothing, and thats how they want it. Theyd love for us to think 100k/year is wealthy, but compared to the people who have mass wealth, they know they are just pacifying the public.


Absolutely agree. Particularly interesting is the ratio of CEO/average employee income in the last few decades - that ratio, on average, has EXPLODED to something like 400:1. Absolutely ridiculous.


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And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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I don't think the left's focus is generally on economic immobility so much as it is on wealth inequality along with its social and political implications-- for example, opposition to the recent rulings by the SCOTUS to strike down various campaign finance regulations. The problem is not that people can't improve their situations, the problem is that the rights of the working and middle class to participate in their government and have access to the decisions that affect their communities is being overshadowed by a growing wall of financial consolidation.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
I don't think the left's focus is generally on economic immobility so much as it is on wealth inequality along with its social and political implications-- for example, opposition to the recent rulings by the SCOTUS to strike down various campaign finance regulations. The problem is not that people can't improve their situations, the problem is that the rights of the working and middle class to participate in their government and have access to the decisions that affect their communities is being overshadowed by a growing wall of financial consolidation.


:noargument:


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And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: JesusIsLord] * 1
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who cares about money? we live on a ball of mud and die after 80 years.

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Re: The myth of economic immobility in the US [Re: lazyfingers]
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lazyfingers said:
who cares about money? we live on a ball of mud and die after 80 years.


80 years? You must be rich.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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