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12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid
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http://reason.com/blog/2012/10/12/12-year-old-girl-has-second-degree-burns

A 12-year-old girl in Billings, Montana, is suffering first and second degree burns on half her body after a SWAT team dropped a flash bang grenade next to her bed during a wrong-door drug raid on Oct. 9.

The Billings Police Department claims that the officer who detonated the grenade inserted it through the girl's bedroom windown on a poll, and was supposed to detonate it while holding it up in the air. He mistimed the explosion however, and ended up dropping the live flashbang next to the girl's bed.

Jackie Fasching, the girl's mother, told The Missoulian that her daughter is in "severe pain." Fasching also told the paper that the officers didn't need to burn her daughter, or destroy her house, to conduct their investigation:

    "A simple knock on the door and I would've let them in," she said. "They said their intel told them there was a meth lab at our house. If they would've checked, they would've known there's not."

Mr. Fasching, the report says, attempted to open the door seconds before SWAT officers battered it down. After the raid was over, no charges were filed and no arrests were made. Taken together, this information suggests that the Billings Police Department made several mistakes, ranging from burning a child to raiding the wrong house. A spokesperson for the department, however, says they had every reason (and right) to do what they did:

    "The information that we had did not have any juveniles in the house and did not have any juveniles in the room," he said. "We generally do not introduce these disorienting devices when they're present."

    "Every bit of information and intelligence that we have comes together and we determine what kind of risk is there," St. John said. "The warrant was based on some hard evidence and everything we knew at the time."

    But Fasching said the risk wasn't there and the entry created, for her and her daughters, a sense of fear they can't shake.

    "I'm going to have to take them to counseling," she said. "They're never going to get over that."

    A claims process has already been started with the city. St. John said it's not an overnight process, but it does determine if the Police Department needs to make restitution.

    "If we're wrong or made a mistake, then we're going to take care of it," he said. "But if it determines we're not, then we'll go with that. When we do this, we want to ensure the safety of not only the officers, but the residents inside."

    No arrests were made during the raid and no charges have been filed, although a police spokesman said afterward that some evidence was recovered during the search. St. John declined to release specifics of the drug case, citing the active investigation, but did say that "activity was significant enough where our drug unit requested a search warrant."

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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: MrKite1]
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:feelssadman:

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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: MrKite1]
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Why are violent wrong-door raids such a common occurrence these days? It's very disturbing and frightening. And what lazy people. A man gives you a tip that there is a meth lab at XXX Molevido Drive. You investigate first, you don't just go in guns a blazing ready to destroy people's property and lives.


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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: Nullface]
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"If we're wrong or made a mistake, we'll take care of it." I would say burning half a 12 year old girl's body is a mistake itself, no apologies, just trying to justify burning a child. Fucking scum. :facepalm:


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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: Darwin23]
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Hmmm throwing an explosive into a potentially flammable situation, not to bright either


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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: shopdropper]
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shopdropper said:
Hmmm throwing an explosive into a potentially flammable situation, not to bright either


Holy shit I would've never considered that.

How the mother fuck are these neanderthals the one running shit.

We really can't keep letting this shit happen, and it's only going to worsen if we let it.


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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: FoolOnTheHill]
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Do something about it.... that's what I thought.


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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: FoolOnTheHill]
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Words cannot describes my hate for America's law enforcement and the politicians who command them.

Edited by gref (10/12/12 01:51 PM)

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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: gref]
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She has been deformed for life. She is going to always be insecure about her body and will never get to have a healthy life and future and will be severely depressed and hate herself because they had the wrong address. Another life ruined thanks to our boys in blue.

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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: Nullface]
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Hyperbole. Pure and simple.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 3
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luvdemshrooms said:
Hyperbole. Pure and simple.


Are you implying young girls don't already have enough problems with self esteem? Imagine them having a huge burn wound on their side. Bullshit if she doesn't stare at in the mirror and wonder how she's going to ever take her shirt off in public or find a guy who will accept her body for how it is especially in this day and age where body image means everything.

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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: Nullface]
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Hyperbole. Pure and simple.

It may leave a scar. It may not.

It may affect her self esteem. It may not.

She may have a healthy life and future. She may not.

She may be severely depressed. She may not.

She may hate herself. She may not.

Her life might be ruined. It might not.

The post of yours that I initially responded to, as well as your follow-up, are so full of crap that it's appalling you even said some of that stuff.

People have scars and trauma all the time. Few fall apart to the extent you describe.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I'm convinced she will follow suit with what everyone else her age would do when faced with this new reality is all.

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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: Nullface]
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"Everyone".

I don't think that word means what you seem to think it does.

Or is there some script we must all follow?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Luvdemshrooms lookin for another argument again, never fails :lol:


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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I do not feel that teenage girls are what you would call self aware and instead do follow what you would call a script so that they can fit in with everyone else. Free thinking only isolates you from the pack.

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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: Eminence]
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frylock91 said:
Luvdemshrooms lookin for another argument again, never fails :lol:


Just pointing out a foolish statement. It's easy... and fun.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Raid [Re: Nullface]
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Nullface said:
I do not feel that teenage girls are what you would call self aware and instead do follow what you would call a script so that they can fit in with everyone else. Free thinking only isolates you from the pack.


Right. Because every teenage girl does the same.

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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Rai [Re: Nullface]
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You must me one of those dudes who wouldn't date a chick with a scar. I wouldn't care if a chick had a scar or not if was into her


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Re: 12-Year-Old Girl Has Second Degree Burns From SWAT Flash Grenade Detonated During Wrong-Door Rai [Re: LiquidGlass]
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This is just throwing more firewood on my flame, our government is so whack its really sickening sometimes.

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