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AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS
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So I'm on abilify which is a newish atypical antipsychotic and it helps A LOT. During the day that is. I take it at night around seven and it makes me feel so restless and shitty for the first few hours and I'm always checking my breath to make sure it doesn't smell fruity because that can mean something about a build up of acetone in your blood that is a very rare but potentially fatal side effect of this medication and it just makes me so on edge all night. Boarderline panic attack. I feel like I would be OK if I could just chill out after I take it but for some reason it makes me insanely afraid of death. During the day it helps me so much and I don't want to stop taking it but I might have to if I can't manage this.

Any suggestions on like meditation techniques or ways to calm myself down?


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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: You Agree]
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Talk to your doctor, perhaps the evening dose is too much for you.


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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: You Agree]
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My doc tried to prescribe me this, but it turned out I didn't need it.  He told me that it actually was advisable to take this medication in the morning partly because of the effects you are describing.  I've never taken it, so I can't offer advice from personal experience, but thought I'd relay what my doc told me.


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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: the spiral]
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Why you taking medication in the first place. This is a problem with your mind not your body.

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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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the spiral said:
My doc tried to prescribe me this, but it turned out I didn't need it.  He told me that it actually was advisable to take this medication in the morning partly because of the effects you are describing.  I've never taken it, so I can't offer advice from personal experience, but thought I'd relay what my doc told me.


Maybe that's a good idea, I've noticed that remaining active like pacing or some form of stim to cut back on the dykinesia sort of feeling the drug gives helps with the anxiety too. It also makes it hard as motherfucking fuck to sleep. My legs will jolt right when I start to nod off like a mini seizure and my head feels so heavy and 'hypnogogic' that it becomes unsettling to think about sleep.

Bodhi of Ankou said:
Why you taking medication in the first place. This is a problem with your mind not your body.


I'm taking it for DP/DR disorder, paranoid psychosis and major depression, in conjunction with 150mg of wellbutrin which I have cut back to 75mg to keep my seizure threshold a little higher and 7.5mg of remeron at night.


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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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sounds more like you need a anti anxiety med maybe even with the rest. but anti psychs and anti depressives can sometimes cause anxiety but, it is usually upon first taking or upping a dosage.let your doc know.


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Edited by caskt (10/21/11 07:02 PM)

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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: You Agree]
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Whats DP/DR? The paranoia and severe depression resides in your mind. Medication doesnt do shit for those types of disorders other then completely killing the persons personality. Plus they have a massive list of side effects. Therapy usually has extremely low success rates. I have heard of meditation and similar mental exercise's blow those two out of the water in terms of effectiveness.

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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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caskt said:
sounds more like you need a anti anxiety med maybe even with the rest. but anti psychs and anti depressives can sometimes cause anxiety but, it is usually upon first taking or upping a dosage.let your doc know.


I want to script for valium or something just to help as a rescue. I feel so agoraphobic in a non conventional sense at night. Like I get myself worked up just thinking about panic and wind up panicking. I feel like I read to much of the warnings for my pills. I've always been a hypochondriac.

Bodhi of Ankou said:
Whats DP/DR? The paranoia and severe depression resides in your mind. Medication doesnt do shit for those types of disorders other then completely killing the persons personality. Plus they have a massive list of side effects. Therapy usually has extremely low success rates. I have heard of meditation and similar mental exercise's blow those two out of the water in terms of effectiveness.


DP/DR is depersonalization and derealization disorder. It's like feeling like you hadn't slept all night except you feel that way intensely every waking second of your life. I've tried all kinds of meditation but I'm just to far gone and scrambled to be cured by it I feel. I'm a pathological liar and I don't even really know who I am anymore. I wish I could just forget my name and maybe if I didn't know who I was I wouldn't be psychotic or depressed. The wall that abilify creates between emotion and thought is the best feeling I have ever felt from something other than using something recreationally. Feels almost like nothing can get to me.


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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Whats DP/DR? The paranoia and severe depression resides in your mind. Medication doesnt do shit for those types of disorders other then completely killing the persons personality. Plus they have a massive list of side effects. Therapy usually has extremely low success rates. I have heard of meditation and similar mental exercise's blow those two out of the water in terms of effectiveness.


Oh you heard? Well that trumps everything else. :smirk:

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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Whats DP/DR? The paranoia and severe depression resides in your mind. Medication doesnt do shit for those types of disorders other then completely killing the persons personality. Plus they have a massive list of side effects. Therapy usually has extremely low success rates. I have heard of meditation and similar mental exercise's blow those two out of the water in terms of effectiveness.


I respectfully disagree on behalf of the literally  millions of people in this world who, thanks to medications like neuroleptics, antispasmodics, anxiolitics, antidepressants, and other sorts of psychiatric medications, can directly attribute their ability to be happy as having been significantly improved - if not absolutely recovered - to their access to certain psychiatric medications.

One can make an argument that the industry overmarkets certain drugs.  One can not argue that paranoid schizophrenics, who were lobotomized or just institutionalized before the advent of neuroleptics, become able to have decent and rewarding lives today is not due to the miracle of pharmacology, and that pharmacology has no place in assisting in diseases of the mind in addition to those of the body.  That argument is simply false on its face.

Edit:  I also thought I should point out that when one is seeking out psychiatric care (and paying all the money it costs for said care, which often isn't (or is only partially) covered by insurance), and is paying for pharmaceutical assistance for the terrible discomfort that sent them to a psychiatrist in the first place, is likely not in a position where meditation will do the trick.  Ideally doctors should suggest those sorts of things to their patients before resorting to chemical intervention (my doc did before putting me on antidepressants, but meditating and acupuncture didn't do the trick.  not one bit.), and maybe there are many doctors who aren't like mine.  Still, to dismiss pharmaceuticals so generally in light of the absolute miracles (as in , the difference between life and death) that they commonly perform in our daily lives is something I can't let stand.


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Edited by the spiral (10/21/11 07:21 PM)

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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: Le_Canard]
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ToiletDuk said:
Bodhi of Ankou said:
Whats DP/DR? The paranoia and severe depression resides in your mind. Medication doesnt do shit for those types of disorders other then completely killing the persons personality. Plus they have a massive list of side effects. Therapy usually has extremely low success rates. I have heard of meditation and similar mental exercise's blow those two out of the water in terms of effectiveness.


Oh you heard? Well that trumps everything else. :smirk:


I doubt everything you believe in you discovered on your own. So yeah, I heard, or more precisely I read.

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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: the spiral]
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Christ even right now I felt like I was about to have a seizure and simultaneously die while shitting myself only a matter of minutes ago and now I feel calm and relatively collected. I need to learn how to remain calm after I take it. Every time about ten minutes after it goes down the hatch I think to myself "This is the last time I'm taking this terrible drug" then the next day I tell myself "I can't wait to take more of this wonderful drug".


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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: You Agree]
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You Agree said:
Christ even right now I felt like I was about to have a seizure and simultaneously die while shitting myself only a matter of minutes ago and now I feel calm and relatively collected. I need to learn how to remain calm after I take it. Every time about ten minutes after it goes down the hatch I think to myself "This is the last time I'm taking this terrible drug" then the next day I tell myself "I can't wait to take more of this wonderful drug".


How may milligrams do you take?  Once a day or more?

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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: the spiral]
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For those of you on or were on antidepressants or antipsychotics, do you have to keep taking the meds to remain stable, or did you start taking them to get back on your feet?
I keep thinking i should talk to my doctor, but i don't want to end up tethered to the meds. For those of you who were on them and got off them, can you offer any words or advice?


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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: floydisgod]
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the spiral said:
You Agree said:
Christ even right now I felt like I was about to have a seizure and simultaneously die while shitting myself only a matter of minutes ago and now I feel calm and relatively collected. I need to learn how to remain calm after I take it. Every time about ten minutes after it goes down the hatch I think to myself "This is the last time I'm taking this terrible drug" then the next day I tell myself "I can't wait to take more of this wonderful drug".


How may milligrams do you take?  Once a day or more?


I started on abilify about a week ago only, I had been on risperdal for a while a month or so ago. I'm only taking 2mg as a starting dosage right now, and trust me 2mg of abilify can be damn powerful as hell. Risperdal also hit me hard in low doses too. One a day.

floydisgod said:
For those of you on or were on antidepressants or antipsychotics, do you have to keep taking the meds to remain stable, or did you start taking them to get back on your feet?
I keep thinking i should talk to my doctor, but i don't want to end up tethered to the meds. For those of you who were on them and got off them, can you offer any words or advice?


Antipsychotics really shouldn't be used or requested for much other than true psychosis, they are very heavy and side effect heavy meds and have some huge risks. Getting off of them isn't really all that hard, it's just the fact that most of them are prescribed for long term treatment. I don't know why I take mine but they definitely make me farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr more stable than I had ever been before.


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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: the spiral]
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the spiral said:
Bodhi of Ankou said:
Whats DP/DR? The paranoia and severe depression resides in your mind. Medication doesnt do shit for those types of disorders other then completely killing the persons personality. Plus they have a massive list of side effects. Therapy usually has extremely low success rates. I have heard of meditation and similar mental exercise's blow those two out of the water in terms of effectiveness.


I respectfully disagree on behalf of the literally  millions of people in this world who, thanks to medications like neuroleptics, antispasmodics, anxiolitics, antidepressants, and other sorts of psychiatric medications, can directly attribute their ability to be happy as having been significantly improved - if not absolutely recovered - to their access to certain psychiatric medications.

One can make an argument that the industry overmarkets certain drugs.  One can not argue that paranoid schizophrenics, who were lobotomized or just institutionalized before the advent of neuroleptics, become able to have decent and rewarding lives today is not due to the miracle of pharmacology, and that pharmacology has no place in assisting in diseases of the mind in addition to those of the body.  That argument is simply false on its face.

Edit:  I also thought I should point out that when one is seeking out psychiatric care (and paying all the money it costs for said care, which often isn't (or is only partially) covered by insurance), and is paying for pharmaceutical assistance for the terrible discomfort that sent them to a psychiatrist in the first place, is likely not in a position where meditation will do the trick.  Ideally doctors should suggest those sorts of things to their patients before resorting to chemical intervention (my doc did before putting me on antidepressants, but meditating and acupuncture didn't do the trick.  not one bit.), and maybe there are many doctors who aren't like mine.  Still, to dismiss pharmaceuticals so generally in light of the absolute miracles (as in , the difference between life and death) that they commonly perform in our daily lives is something I can't let stand.


Psychosis, I cant speak truthfully on. I have read into anti-depressants and depression enough to say with belief that sugar pills work equally as well.

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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Psychosis, I cant speak truthfully on. I have read into anti-depressants and depression enough to say with belief that sugar pills work equally as well.


Trust me bro, I used to cut myself so much before I started on my first anti depressant, I would go into almost catatonic-psychotic trances rolling around on the floor at night bleeding all over myself and licking blood. Women don't cause these problems hahahahaha, but they definitely contribute. I would not function as a human being without my meds.
Edit: and that's just a joke. I tell all my friends I have "problems with girls" whenever they ask me why I'm taking so many medications.


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Edited by You Agree (10/21/11 07:34 PM)

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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: You Agree]
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Really cause Ive read multiple papers on studies dealing with severe to moderate depression and everytime it was tested the participants reacted to the sugar pil just as positively as the real deal. There was a tiny variation in the effectiveness between the two with the real thing being marginally better but that can just as easily be attributed to the recognition of the side-effects

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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Really cause Ive read multiple papers on studies dealing with severe to moderate depression and everytime it was tested the participants reacted to the sugar pil just as positively as the real deal. There was a tiny variation in the effectiveness between the two with the real thing being marginally better but that can just as easily be attributed to the recognition of the side-effects


None of these medications would be approved for treatment if they tested similar to placebo I would figure. That's what their effectiveness is rated on, comparison with placebo and side effect profile. Send me a link to this study you read because I'm very interested in reading it.
I'd say you should get some opinions of people on antipsychotics and antidepressants before you form a strong opinion, not being hostile, just a suggestion. I've even read that saint johns wort had far higher antidepressant effects than placebo in double blind trials.


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Re: AHHH WHAT THE FUCK PANIC RELATED TO ANTIPSYCHOTICS [Re: You Agree]
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I hate digging shit up on the internet for the sake of being argumentative. If you really want to see it for yourself a google search would produce the papers im talking about. Pharmaceutical companies have so much to gain from doping up the depressed people in society, with one structered like ours there will never be a shortage of them. The pharmaceutical sector is one of the most profitable multi national business's in the world. when you get large amounts of money involved and things the public generally doesnt understand you develop a large propensity for skewing the truth and out right lieing.

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