Heffy said:

AIRDOG said:

if the shaman is juan ruiz you should not take the ceremony at all... they are demons in the dress of angels and they want to mind control you and get your energy

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If someone tried to mind control me, and steal my energy, I would totally fuck them up. Most of these "Sorcerers" I meet couldn't take a punch if their life depended on it.

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Damn.  You got to wonder how real the delusion must be for him sign the contract (if the translation is correct). 

Then get his ass kicked in front of his students. 

Rewindicus said:

SOOOOOOOOOO howd OP's trip go!? i know its a little early just bumping the thread!

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Where to even begin?

Now, I like to think that I'm a pretty open-minded person, and pretty accepting as well of other people and their beliefs.. But that was totally messed up

After experiencing a full on 8 hour ayahuasca session with 100+ people, it is my official opinion that the Santo Daime, or at least this particular church in Ashland, is for sure a cult, with heavy emphasis on brainwashing participants through music while they are in a vulnerable psychedelic state, under the guise of "spiritual healing."

I will walk you through the entire day for anyone who is interested or thinking about attending a session with them:

I arrived in Ashland, Oregon at 2:30PM on Friday and met John and Chante at the Santo Daime offices for an interview at 3PM.  It was me, and 4 other people being interviewed with the intention of attending that evening at 6PM and/or Sunday evening at 5PM as well.  The interview took like a half hour, we all shared our personal stories in less than 5 mins each and explained our interest in ayahuasca, or as they must legally call it, "the Daime" or "the Sacrament", due to their court case with the federal government.  They shared with us some information about the ayahuasca, and about what they do here, and how it all works with them...etc.  Then interview was over, we all left and we're to meet at the Havurah Jewish Synagogue at 6PM.. which I thought was kind of strange, but whatever.

Stupidly though, I had decided to carpool with the older couple I was sitting across from during the interview.  Mainly because I didn't think I would have the energy to ride my motorcycle at night after an ayahuasca session, all the while trying to find the campground i left my stuff at, so, I wen't with them.  We arrived at the Synagogue at 6PM, just as they we're setting up, but still waiting on the church leader.

Now, the people who interviewed us we're very normal.. they we're positive and friendly, kind of funny even.. but the rest of the night was straight up insanity.

The first thing that I found to be weird was they wanted everyone to wear white.. and pretty much only white.  White shirts, white pants, white socks.. and then men were to wear blue ties, and the women, blue bowties.  I didn't have any white pants (and I wasn't going to where any anyways, hell no.) but I did have my blue and grey meditation pants which they said we're alright to wear.. and then I picked up a white t-shirt at K-mart on the way over.  So then I check out the seating arrangement.  It was pretty much 100+ chairs, all facing the center where the shamans (or leaders as we have to call them) sit, plus the church leaders as well.  And then men and women are divided down the middle.  A very uncomfortable seating arrangement for me.. ESPECIALLY if I am to be tripping on a powerful psychedelic!

So then I sat down and took a look at the hymn book that contained all the hymns they go through during this particular ayahuasca session called "the concentration."  They are all in Portuguese, but each song had the English translation on the following page.  Here are some of the English translations I have found online that are most similar to the kind in the hymn book:


Oh, Divine Virgin Mother
Antonio Gomes  19 

O Divine Virgin Mother
Ordered to teach us
To know this Light
And to love th eDivine Father.

But they don’t want to believe
That this power exists
They only maintain their illusion
And no one tries to learn.

The Divine Eternal Father
Is the Owner of this power
It is He who gives strength to our Master
For whatever he wants to do.

Being within the Light
Everyone must believe
Because He has the discipline
And can discipline.

O Divine Virgin Mother
You are our Protectress
Give comfort to my brethren
You as Mother Creator.

Everyone must humble himself
With love in his heart
Before this power
Of the Virgin of Conception.


FIRMNESS
Sebastão  3 

Firmness, firmness in love
Firmness, firmness where I am
I am firm with my Jesus
I am firm in this light where I am

Firmness, firmness in love
Firmness, firmness where I am
The Master orders me to work
The Master orders me to firm myself
In the place where He is.


I am Firm with my Jesus
Sebastião  4 

I am firm with my Jesus
It was He who gave us this holy Light

This Light is of the Virgin of Conception
It was She who sent me to unite with my brethren

It was She who sent me to unite with my brethren
For the reunion from the separation

On this day, many people will cry
For there are many who don’t know how to love.


Okay, so I picked out some of the really religious ones there are some I found online that are more "spiritual" rather, as opposed to religious.  Though these religious ones we're the only type I came across in the book, and I read through most of it.  Here are some of the less religious ones I found online:


I Saw God in the Sun
Chico Corrente  20 

I ask God to forgive my sins
To forgive me and my brothers and sisters
I ask God to give me the Holy Light
For me to love You in my heart.

I saw God in the Sun, in the Moon & in the Stars
I saw God in the wind, the earth and the sea
Everyone knows that God is in everything
Everyone be firm and composed in your place.

I say to everyone, with love in my heart
God is who gives us the Holy Light
God is who gives us our destiny
For us to leave this world of illusion.


FROM THE FOREST
Alfredo 14 (waltz)

From the forest I receive
Strength enough to  do my work
From the forest I have everything
Everything that God gives me

Oh, the forest is a splendor
In the way that it is made
It is with love that it is harmonized
And leaves the earth satisfied

We must all live on the earth
Each with total satisfaction
And if we want to have life
We give thanks to our Mother.


No Title
/…  Irineu  64

I always live in this world
Viva!  All who wish
Viva! God in the heights
And the patriarch, St. Joseph

I give viva to the Virgin Mother
Viva to Her companions
Protect us in this world
You as Mother of Truth

The Sun which came to the earth
To illuminate everyone
To it there is no beautiful or ugly
He illuminates all equally

The Moon has three passages
All three are enclosed within Her
It is necessary to understand
That She is who controls the earth.


So yeah there are a mix of both out there associated with the Santo Daime.  However keep in mind that this particular church seems to reject the more down to Earth poetry and sticks to the brainwashing material instead

You know what, I'm going to have to leave you guys hanging.. sorry lol.  This is taking longer than I thought and I really need to get some sleep.  Will update tomorrow.

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Shrooomtastic said: loss of vision + chronic back/neck pain, and feel as though I need some sort of reminder as to why I am here and why I should continue the fight.  I feel like ayahuasca can help me to reconnect to the answers to some of these questions.

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How long have been suffering loss of vision? Do you know there are excercises you can do to retrain your vision--so to speak. there are videos on youtube

I have recently started experimenting Qigong. You familiar with this?

I am DEEELIGHTED you are thinking about partaking of the sacred Ayahuasca!!

zzripz said:

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Shrooomtastic said: loss of vision + chronic back/neck pain, and feel as though I need some sort of reminder as to why I am here and why I should continue the fight.  I feel like ayahuasca can help me to reconnect to the answers to some of these questions.

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How long have been suffering loss of vision? Do you know there are excercises you can do to retrain your vision--so to speak. there are videos on youtube

I have recently started experimenting Qigong. You familiar with this?

I am DEEELIGHTED you are thinking about partaking of the sacred Ayahuasca!!

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The Divine Eternal Father
Is the Owner of this power
It is He who gives strength to our Master
For whatever he wants to do.

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zzripz said:

Shrooomtastic said: loss of vision + chronic back/neck pain, and feel as though I need some sort of reminder as to why I am here and why I should continue the fight.  I feel like ayahuasca can help me to reconnect to the answers to some of these questions.

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How long have been suffering loss of vision? Do you know there are excercises you can do to retrain your vision--so to speak. there are videos on youtube

I have recently started experimenting Qigong. You familiar with this?

I am DEEELIGHTED you are thinking about partaking of the sacred Ayahuasca!!

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The vision problem is due to a botched LASIK procedure that happened 3 years ago.  Vision therapy is not an option really as it is an issue with the cornea.  The only option left is another surgery, or patching, which I am looking into since I have recently discovered that they make a contact lens that acts like an eye patch that can be made to appear roughly the same as my eye.

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Cups said:
Estou confuso!

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Icelander said:

I warned him it had a christian affiliation, what was he expecting?

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Yes you did.  I guess I made the mistake of assuming that the ayahuasca may have made the community them more down to Earth or something   But actually it was quite the opposite lol.  They we're sky high and I don't think they're coming down any time soon!  Seriously though, there was some intense negativity directed at me for simply wanting to sit outside amongst nature, in their garden which I might add, was within limits, and fucking meditate in peace.  I'm talking about a lot of power hunger, deep seated need to control, and just like general fakeness about their personalities.  Some of them we're cool and understanding of my situation, but others we're like straight up schizo-should not be taking psychedelics type people!

I'll pick up where I left off tomorrow perhaps.. Really I'm sorry about the hold up to whoever is reading, there is just a lot going on right now, and a lot to process still about this weekend.  I would much rather forget it already to be honest but i will share the experience.