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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: clown133]
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clown133 said:
SprewellSleeve said:
Sorry, this is politically correct bs. The creators should not live in fear for this ridiculous stuff. Fact is, at the end of the episode it showed the people who only do what's in are the real "nerds".


i firmly believe that creators of CHILDRENS shows need to be very conscientious.  kids today watch so much tv it really plays a part in the kind of person they grow up to be.  i'm all for creativity and freedom from censorship but not when it comes to children


how bout the parents stop bein lazy bitches and just show the kids whats up

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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: clown133]
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clown133 said:
SprewellSleeve said:
Sorry, this is politically correct bs. The creators should not live in fear for this ridiculous stuff. Fact is, at the end of the episode it showed the people who only do what's in are the real "nerds".


i firmly believe that creators of CHILDRENS shows need to be very conscientious.  kids today watch so much tv it really plays a part in the kind of person they grow up to be.  i'm all for creativity and freedom from censorship but not when it comes to children


And what about the kids who like this stuff and actually learn something positive from it? In your theory, something as small as even an episode of SpongeBob could change a kid negatively, well it could also be the opposite. How is pressuring the creators of the show to change who they are for something like that healthy for them?


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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: SprewellSleeve]
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SprewellSleeve said:
clown133 said:
SprewellSleeve said:
Sorry, this is politically correct bs. The creators should not live in fear for this ridiculous stuff. Fact is, at the end of the episode it showed the people who only do what's in are the real "nerds".


i firmly believe that creators of CHILDRENS shows need to be very conscientious.  kids today watch so much tv it really plays a part in the kind of person they grow up to be.  i'm all for creativity and freedom from censorship but not when it comes to children


And what about the kids who like this stuff and actually learn something positive from it? In your theory, something as small as even an episode of a SpongeBob could change a could negatively, well it could also be the opposite. How is pressuring the creators of the show to change who they are for something like that healthy for them?


you have a point but think you're overestimating the brainpower of a child.  the positive interpretation of this episode isn't obvious at all, you really need to stretch for it.  like i said, there's no moment where the residents of bikini bottom come together and realize its wrong to make fun of spongebob.  there's no moment where spongebob realizes he was right all along and he should embrace his uniqueness.  i am willing to bet that at least 8 out of 10 kids wouldnt see what you're seeing in this episode


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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: clown133]
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Good God. A show should not be dumbed down just because it will be viewed by a younger audience.

Take Rocko's Modern Life or even Ren & Stimpy: some of the original Nicktoons. Both shows contained tons of jokes that went over the heads of children. If you go back and watch episodes that you watched as a child, you will see them in a whole new light; you might even realize that you had no idea what was really going on when you saw it as a child.

It's a fine balance, but you can definitely write cartoons to have both adults and children as a potential audience. The Simpsons was a great example of this. Children could laugh at the slapstick comedy and the more obvious situational jokes; adults, however, could derive humor from the cartoon on another level (e.g. political jokes, pop culture references, alcohol-related jokes and situations, satire, or whatever).

I wish they'd do this with Spongebob, but the writing is piss poor on that show now. I'm lucky if I find one episode per season funny.

And they totally changed Spongebob's persona. In the recent episodes, Spongebob and Patrick are portrayed as children so that they have common ground with their child audience; never mind the fact that he has a job, a house, has been trying to get his boating license for umpteen years, etc. Children cannot relate to any of these things! The original Spongebob was immature and childish- but this was a cry from the writers for people to embrace their inner child. i mean, how awesome would life be if you could derive hours of innocent fun from a piece of paper or a box! but Spongebob at least was a much more mature, adult character in the earlier episodes IMO.

Anyway. Spongebob's pretty much been ruined now IMO (if you couldn't tell my opinion from my subtle ranting). :angrykidface:


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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: clown133]
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also, to anyone posting of reading in this thread, i realize its a tv show alright?  i'm not trying to whip everyone into a frenzy and lynch the creators of spongebob, i'm just expressing my opinions about a particular episode.  so if you dont have anything helpful to add,  :titsgtfo:


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To me, clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kind of scary. I've wondered where this started and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus, and a clown killed my dad ~ Jack Handey

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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: clown133]
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clown133 said:
also, to anyone posting of reading in this thread, i realize its a tv show alright?  i'm not trying to whip everyone into a frenzy and lynch the creators of spongebob, i'm just expressing my opinions about a particular episode.  so if you dont have anything helpful to add,  :titsgtfo:


If it's just once episode that you strongly dislike the message it could send then what's the hub, bub?


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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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ifoundwaldo said:
Good God. A show should not be dumbed down just because it will be viewed by a younger audience.

Take Rocko's Modern Life or even Ren & Stimpy: some of the original Nicktoons. Both shows contained tons of jokes that went over the heads of children. If you go back and watch episodes that you watched as a child, you will see them in a whole new light; you might even realize that you had no idea what was really going on when you saw it as a child.

It's a fine balance, but you can definitely write cartoons to have both adults and children as a potential audience. The Simpsons was a great example of this. Children could laugh at the slapstick comedy and the more obvious situational jokes; adults, however, could derive humor from the cartoon on another level (e.g. political jokes, pop culture references, alcohol-related jokes and situations, satire, or whatever).

I wish they'd do this with Spongebob, but the writing is piss poor on that show now. I'm lucky if I find one episode per season funny.

And they totally changed Spongebob's persona. In the recent episodes, Spongebob and Patrick are portrayed as children so that they have common ground with their child audience; never mind the fact that he has a job, a house, has been trying to get his boating license for umpteen years, etc. Children cannot relate to any of these things! The original Spongebob was immature and childish- but this was a cry from the writers for people to embrace their inner child. i mean, what a life when you can have hours of fun with a piece of paper or a box! but Spongebob at least was a much more mature, adult character in the earlier episodes IMO.

Anyway. Spongebob's pretty much been ruined now IMO (if you couldn't tell from my subtle ranting). :angrykidface:


you are missing my point completely, this wasnt a little joke or two, this was the entire episode.  even an adult wouldnt find this situation funny.  yeah, its exactly like real life, but they dont even make fun of it.  its not even really satire at all.  they just depict a cardinal sin of society and then end the episode.  they threw in a few of the usually random crazy things but nothing that actually "satirized" the situation


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To me, clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kind of scary. I've wondered where this started and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus, and a clown killed my dad ~ Jack Handey

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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: SprewellSleeve]
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SprewellSleeve said:
clown133 said:
also, to anyone posting of reading in this thread, i realize its a tv show alright?  i'm not trying to whip everyone into a frenzy and lynch the creators of spongebob, i'm just expressing my opinions about a particular episode.  so if you dont have anything helpful to add,  :titsgtfo:


If it's just once episode that you strongly dislike the message it could send then what's the hub, bub?


i'm expressing my opinion, i'm allowed to do that on the internet right?  i'm not calling for the death of spongebob, i'm not saying this show is the devil.  there's not a whole lot of hub, bubm i just think this episode is shit and i think it sends a bad message to kids


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To me, clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kind of scary. I've wondered where this started and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus, and a clown killed my dad ~ Jack Handey

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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: clown133]
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clown133 said:
ifoundwaldo said:
Good God. A show should not be dumbed down just because it will be viewed by a younger audience.

Take Rocko's Modern Life or even Ren & Stimpy: some of the original Nicktoons. Both shows contained tons of jokes that went over the heads of children. If you go back and watch episodes that you watched as a child, you will see them in a whole new light; you might even realize that you had no idea what was really going on when you saw it as a child.

It's a fine balance, but you can definitely write cartoons to have both adults and children as a potential audience. The Simpsons was a great example of this. Children could laugh at the slapstick comedy and the more obvious situational jokes; adults, however, could derive humor from the cartoon on another level (e.g. political jokes, pop culture references, alcohol-related jokes and situations, satire, or whatever).

I wish they'd do this with Spongebob, but the writing is piss poor on that show now. I'm lucky if I find one episode per season funny.

And they totally changed Spongebob's persona. In the recent episodes, Spongebob and Patrick are portrayed as children so that they have common ground with their child audience; never mind the fact that he has a job, a house, has been trying to get his boating license for umpteen years, etc. Children cannot relate to any of these things! The original Spongebob was immature and childish- but this was a cry from the writers for people to embrace their inner child. i mean, what a life when you can have hours of fun with a piece of paper or a box! but Spongebob at least was a much more mature, adult character in the earlier episodes IMO.

Anyway. Spongebob's pretty much been ruined now IMO (if you couldn't tell from my subtle ranting). :angrykidface:


you are missing my point completely, this wasnt a little joke or two, this was the entire episode.  even an adult wouldnt find this situation funny.  yeah, its exactly like real life, but they dont even make fun of it.  its not even really satire at all.  they just depict a cardinal sin of society and then end the episode.  they threw in a few of the usually random crazy things but nothing that actually "satirized" the situation


So what you're saying is, it just shows that a ton of people are assholes. Well, kids will figure that out one or the other anyway.


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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: clown133]
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:seriousbusiness: 

can't we all agree spongebob is a great show?



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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: clown133]
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clown133 said:
SprewellSleeve said:
clown133 said:
also, to anyone posting of reading in this thread, i realize its a tv show alright?  i'm not trying to whip everyone into a frenzy and lynch the creators of spongebob, i'm just expressing my opinions about a particular episode.  so if you dont have anything helpful to add,  :titsgtfo:


If it's just once episode that you strongly dislike the message it could send then what's the hub, bub?


i'm expressing my opinion, i'm allowed to do that on the internet right?  i'm not calling for the death of spongebob, i'm not saying this show is the devil.  there's not a whole lot of hub, bubm i just think this episode is shit and i think it sends a bad message to kids


Why are you getting so defensive? You're entitled to your opinion. We're not calling you an idiot.


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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: SprewellSleeve]
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SprewellSleeve said:
Well, kids will figure that out one or the other anyway.


these kids we're talking about are at a very developmental part of their lives.  this episode literally did not have a positive or teaching moment.  it was entirely to rag on spongebob for being different and to make him change to be like everyone else.  thats a pretty clear message and one that kids would definately understand

SprewellSleeve said:
Why are you getting so defensive? You're entitled to your opinion. We're not calling you an idiot.


i'm not getting defensive, i just dont understand why you thought i was making such a "hub"


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To me, clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kind of scary. I've wondered where this started and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus, and a clown killed my dad ~ Jack Handey

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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: clown133]
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Spongebob is for kids?  :eek:


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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: clown133]
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But, if you don't want the creators to not express themselves and all that, then why can't you just accept it as one bad episode and view them as not perfect? I think this topic would be better suited if this happened several times on the show.

I get your point and I respect it, but this should be more generalized rather than one episode of Spongebob imo. Such as a thread about how adults are unintentionally developing kids to have bad habits or whatever and use this as one of the examples maybe.

There was a thread a day or two ago about car insurance commercials on kids channels is bad for them. It's just over thinking imo. How could this episode really change a kid, specifically? What scenario could you come up with?


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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: SprewellSleeve]
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I'm never gonna not think about this thread when watching that episode again:lol:.


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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: SprewellSleeve]
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SprewellSleeve said:
But, if you don't want the creators to not express themselves and all that, then why can't you just accept it as one bad episode and view them as not perfect? I think this topic would be better suited if this happened several times on the show.

I get your point and I respect it, but this should be more generalized rather than one episode of Spongebob imo. Such as a thread about how adults are developing unintentionally kids to have bad habits or whatever and use this as one of the examples maybe.

There was a thread a day or two ago about car insurance commercials on kids channels is bad for them. It's just over thinking imo. How could this episode really change a kid, specifically? What scenario could you come up with?


i think the title of the thread pretty much sums up my intentions.  as for your question in the last paragraph, imagine a 7 year old kid watching this show.  he wears these really different glasses (big, colorful, whatever) that aren't necessary but he gets a kick out of wearing them.  he watches this episode.  he sees spongebob getting bullied for being different.  he sees how mean the people are to him.  then he sees spongebob conform to everyone else's views and take the wig off even though he loves it.  then he sees that its ok to wear the wig only after its "cool".

do you really not see how this could impact a kid?


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To me, clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kind of scary. I've wondered where this started and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus, and a clown killed my dad ~ Jack Handey

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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: clown133]
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spongebobs the only show i can watch to this day, shit cracks me the fuck up

F is for friends who do stuff together
U is for you and me
N is for anywhere anytime and all down here in the great blue sea

YOU TRY IT!

F is for FIRE BURNING DOWN THE WHOLE TOWN
U is for Uranium.... BOMBS!
N is for NO SURVIVORS!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahaha fucking love that one


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.
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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: clown133]
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clown133 said:
SprewellSleeve said:
But, if you don't want the creators to not express themselves and all that, then why can't you just accept it as one bad episode and view them as not perfect? I think this topic would be better suited if this happened several times on the show.

I get your point and I respect it, but this should be more generalized rather than one episode of Spongebob imo. Such as a thread about how adults are developing unintentionally kids to have bad habits or whatever and use this as one of the examples maybe.

There was a thread a day or two ago about car insurance commercials on kids channels is bad for them. It's just over thinking imo. How could this episode really change a kid, specifically? What scenario could you come up with?


i think the title of the thread pretty much sums up my intentions.  as for your question in the last paragraph, imagine a 7 year old kid watching this show.  he wears these really different glasses (big, colorful, whatever) that aren't necessary but he gets a kick out of wearing them.  he watches this episode.  he sees spongebob getting bullied for being different.  he sees how mean the people are to him.  then he sees spongebob conform to everyone else's views and take the wig off even though he loves it.  then he sees that its ok to wear the wig only after its "cool".

do you really not see how this could impact a kid?


You're right about that, but how do you know the ending could have taught the kid differently? Yes, it's not the most positive episode despite the outcome showing how fake people are, but also consider this, maybe everything happened JUST for that ending of the musician to get his wig back.

You could break down other episodes as leaving bad messages. What if some kid is cheerful as Spongebob, sees similarities in him, but grows up thinking his cheerfulness will annoy the crap out of his neighbor and never wants to buy a house and he feels like he shouldn't be himself around a lot of people?


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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: SprewellSleeve]
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oh and by the way, complaining about kids and television programming

FUCKING RETARDED

if you don't want your kids to grow up stupid and mindless,

uhh

DONT LET THEM WATCH TELEVISION

holy shit problem solved


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koods said:
Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.
Life-long trip report

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Re: critical analysis of a spongebob episode [Re: pfxtc]
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pfxtc said:
spongebobs the only show i can watch to this day, shit cracks me the fuck up

F is for friends who do stuff together
U is for you and me
N is for anywhere anytime and all down here in the great blue sea

YOU TRY IT!

F is for FIRE BURNING DOWN THE WHOLE TOWN
U is for Uranium.... BOMBS!
N is for NO SURVIVORS!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahaha fucking love that one


haha That song is great.


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