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Re: Why do you think John Lennon was murdered? [Re: z_x_x_z]
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It's something that can only happen right now.


I disagree.  Nothing big has ever just happened "right now"--not since the Big Bang anyway.  Evolution occurs over countless millennia; social and philosophical movements take decades or centuries to take hold.

"Though social change cannot be achieved over night, we must always work as if it were a possibility in the morning." -MLK Jr.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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. [Re: Lion]
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Re: Why do you think John Lennon was murdered? [Re: z_x_x_z]
    #12072581 -

another false flag attack to scare the sheeple into giving up all of their rights this time.  Probably a dirty bomb or tactical nuke exploding in a big city somewhere


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How did you get out? I shot my way out... everybody started shooting so I blasted my way out. . . . Tagged a couple of cops. . . . Did you kill anybody? ...a few cops. No real people? ....just cops

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Re: Why do you think John Lennon was murdered? [Re: z_x_x_z]
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Indeed, the past and future are not tangible realities; yet the present does not stand alone as it is predicated on what has come before it, whether we are talking about ideas or matter-states.  The Berlin Wall fell "right now", but many actions precipitated it. 

Saying that something can only happen "right now" is meaningless.  No massive social change can or will happen "right now", but maybe it will over time with the sustained efforts of many dedicated people.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Why do you think John Lennon was murdered? [Re: Lion]
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I do agree that there is no "ultimate end goal" to be achieved, only the very general goal of a great bounty of understanding, peace, and prosperity for all, which can be sought in many ways, some totally destructive and some beneficial.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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. [Re: Lion]
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Re: Why do you think John Lennon was murdered? [Re: z_x_x_z]
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Well I think you are conflating inner peace with outward large-scale social reform.  My attainment of peace of mind will probably not immediately effect the suffering of starving people in Niger. 


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Why do you think John Lennon was murdered? [Re: Lion]
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ya he was murdered for his peace movement popularity.... like many others! 

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FBI surveillance and de-classified documents
After Lennon's death, historian Jon Wiener filed a Freedom of Information Act request for FBI files on Lennon,[174] which document the Bureau's role in the Nixon Administration attempt to deport Lennon in 1972 to stop his anti-war campaign before the Nixon re-election campaign.[175] The FBI admitted it had 281 pages of files on Lennon but refused to release most of them, they contained "national security" information. In 1983, Wiener sued the FBI with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California. It took 14 years of litigation to force the FBI to release the withheld pages.[176] The ACLU, representing Wiener, won a favorable decision in their suit against the FBI in the Ninth Circuit in 1991.[177] The Justice Department appealed the decision to the Supreme Court in April, 1992, but the court declined to review the case.[178] The Justice Department settled most of the outstanding issues in the case outside the court in 1997, when most all of the contested documents but 10 were released,[179] respecting President Bill Clinton's new rule that documents should be withheld only if releasing them would involve "foreseeable harm."[178] In January 2000, Wiener published a book titled Gimme Some Truth: The John Lennon FBI Files which contains facsimiles of the documents, including "lengthy reports by confidential informants detailing the daily lives of anti-war activists, memos to the White House, transcripts of TV shows on which Lennon appeared, and a proposal that Lennon be arrested by local police on drug charges".[174][180] The story is told in the documentary The U.S. Versus John Lennon. The final ten documents in Lennon's FBI file, which had been withheld as containing "national security information provided by a foreign government under an explicit promise of confidentiality," and reported on Lennon's ties with London anti-war activists in 1971, were released in December 2006.[181][182][183]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lennon#FBI_surveillance_and_de-classified_documents



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Re: Why do you think John Lennon was murdered? [Re: P-O]
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double post

Edited by P-O (02/21/10 06:05 PM)

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