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Manny Pacquiao juicing?
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http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4766171
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The Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather welterweight title megafight, tentatively scheduled for March 13 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, is in jeopardy because of the camps' failure to agree on the manner of drug testing for the fight.

In an interview late Tuesday with the Grand Rapids (Mich.) Press, Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum told the newspaper that the fight is off.

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    Dobbs I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken because, frankly, I don't know anyone who really does. But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level. I have already agreed to the testing and it is a shame that he is not willing to do the same. It leaves me with great doubt as to the level of fairness I would be facing in the ring that night.
    ” -- Floyd Mayweather

According to Golden Boy Promotions, which represents Mayweather, Pacquiao refused Tuesday to agree to the Olympic-style drug testing procedures the sides had been negotiating.

Mayweather requested that the drug testing for the fight be in compliance with the United States Anti-Doping Agency, which handles testing for Olympians, "to ensure fair play and sportsmanship by both fighters."

"We're going in a different direction," Arum told the Grand Rapids newspaper. "What I believe is that Floyd never really wanted the fight and this is just harassment of Pacquiao.

"We appeased Mayweather by agreeing to a urine analysis at any time, and blood testing before the press conference and after the fight. Mayweather pressed for blood testing even up to the weigh-in. He knew that Manny gets freaked out when his blood gets taken, and feels that it weakens him. This is just harassment and, to me, just signaled that he didn't want the fight."

Olympic style testing is more rigorous than the drug testing performed by the Nevada State Athletic Commission and other state commissions. It would involve random blood and urine testing before and after the fight. Nevada commission testing only tests urine for banned substances, once just before the fight and once immediately following the fight.

Floyd Mayweather Sr., the fighter's father, has repeatedly accused Pacquiao of taking illegal substances, even though Pacquiao denies it and he has never failed a drug test.

According to Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer, who is negotiating the deal with Top Rank president Todd duBoef, Pacquiao refuses to have his blood drawn within 30 days of the bout based on his superstition of testing so close to a fight.

"Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn't want to do it so close to the fight," Schaefer said. "He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight."

Two weeks ago, Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, told ESPN.com that their side had no problem with Olympic style testing.

"I have no problem with the testing whatsoever," Roach said then. "They can do whatever kind of drug testing they want. They're scared of Manny and scared of his power. He'll pass any test in the world."

Schaefer said he hoped it was simply a "miscommunication" on the Pacquiao side.

"I do hope it is some sort of miscommunication and that Pacquiao is not even aware of what is going on and he will clear this up and say what is good enough for these great Olympic athletes is good enough for him and Floyd, and he agrees to do these drug tests.

"Team Mayweather is very surprised that an elite athlete like Manny Pacquiao would refuse drug testing procedures which Floyd has already agreed to and have been agreed to by many other top athletes. Why would Pacquiao refuse to have the same kind of testing that Lance Armstrong, Michael Phelps, LeBron James and Kobe Bryant have had?"

Told of Pacquiao's reluctance to be tested, Mayweather said he should explain himself.

Rafael: Pacquiao's Power? All Natural

Tuesday wasn't the first time members of Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s camp have questioned Manny Pacquiao's strength and fitness. Blog

"I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken because, frankly, I don't know anyone who really does," Mayweather said in a statement. "But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level. I have already agreed to the testing and it is a shame that he is not willing to do the same. It leaves me with great doubt as to the level of fairness I would be facing in the ring that night.

"I hope that this is either some miscommunication or that Manny will change his mind and step up and allow these tests, which were good enough for all these other great athletes, to be performed by USADA."

Said Leonard Ellerbe, a Mayweather adviser, in a statement, "We hope that Manny will do the right thing and agree to the testing as it is an egregious act to deny the testing and hence, deny the millions of fans the right to see this amazing fight. We just want to make sure there is a level playing field in a sport that is a man-to-man contest that relies on strength and ability.

"I still hope this decision is coming from someone in Pacquiao's camp and not Manny himself as it would be a shame that an athlete of his stature and who represents his whole country would not be able to show the public or his fellow athletes that he agrees to the highest standards in sports competition."

Top Rank spokesman Lee Samuels said the company declined to comment.

Schaefer said he and duBoef had "worked out all other issues related to the fight," disclosing to ESPN.com that the fight would be at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, if they can work out the drug testing issue.

"We have agreed on all terms, including the site," Schaefer said.

The MGM Grand beat out several other interested venues, including Dallas Cowboys Stadium. Team owner Jerry Jones had offered a $25 million site fee, the largest in boxing history, but the promoters took an offer from the MGM Grand, whose terms have not been disclosed.

In addition, Schaefer told ESPN.com that the sides had agreed on an unprecedented penalty if either fighter weighed in heavier than the contract limit of 147 pounds.

"We agreed to $10 million per pound, or fraction thereof," Schaefer said. "That's what the Pacquiao side wanted and we said OK to that. That's unheard of. We have agreed on everything except for this drug testing issue. I have to think Pacquiao is unaware of this. The drug testing had been part of the contract for a while and then they suddenly said no. I was informed of that [Tuesday] morning. Suddenly they changed course and I don't know why."

Pacquiao wanted a huge monetary penalty if Mayweather was overweight because he ignored the contract limit of 144 pounds for his September fight with Juan Manuel Marquez, coming in at 146 pounds and paying a $600,000 penalty for the extra advantage.





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Edited by THE KRAT BARON (12/23/09 10:23 AM)

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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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Nah

Just two huge ego's having a pissing contest with each other

You have to submit to a blood test to get liscensed in Nevada anyways

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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: Noetical]
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I'm not so sure man. It seems to me like Manny is hiding something. They have agreed on everything other than the drug testing. Why won't Pac just submit to Olympic style testing? He says he doesn't like to have his blood taken. LOL. Okay he's going to let this gigantic payday and a chance to fight the best go down the fucking drain just because he doesn't like getting his blood taken? Bullshit. I'll comment further after more details come out.


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Edited by THE KRAT BARON (12/23/09 12:14 PM)

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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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My opinion: neither one of these fags want to fight


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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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I havent seen any sign of that out of the Mayweather camp

Sounds like its only Pacman who is holding this fight up right now

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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: KillerPicklez]
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I don't follow boxing much anymore but is there even a rule against juicing?  Why would testing even be a point of negotiation?  Either there is testing or there isn't.

And Pacquiao running from the test because he doesn't like needles is ridiculous.  They'll be able to collect enough blood from the floor.


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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Basically what ive read, Pacman doesnt want random testing. He wants the standard testing done where you are tested once prior to the fight and once after the fight. But they are scheduled drug tests. Mayweather wants USADA to do random testing before and after the fight

I really dont see what Pacman's problem is. Not like they both wouldnt be under the same set of testing standards

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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: KillerPicklez]
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KillerPicklez said:
I havent seen any sign of that out of the Mayweather camp

Sounds like its only Pacman who is holding this fight up right now



Mayweather gives him a reason to fuck-up the fight and Pacquiao jumps all over it. These boys don't wanna fight.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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How is it Mayweather's fault that Pacman doesnt want to submit to the highest standard of drug testing for one of boxings biggest fights

I think this makes Paci look really bad. If anything it makes Mayweather look good. Hes saying, "come on, let's go with olympic style drug testing to show that we are both on a level playing field." Especially since people already think Paci has been doping anyways

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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: KillerPicklez]
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How is it Mayweather's fault that Pacman doesnt want to submit to the highest standard of drug testing for one of boxings biggest fights



They already have a procedure in place so it's just like 'Hey, here's something you might object to (fingers crossed).'


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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TheFakeSunRa said:
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How is it Mayweather's fault that Pacman doesnt want to submit to the highest standard of drug testing for one of boxings biggest fights



They already have a procedure in place so it's just like 'Hey, here's something you might object to (fingers crossed).'




Yeah but if you suspect your opponent of cheating and you are about to fight the biggest fight of your career, why wouldnt you want more strict and random testing?

I dont see whats unreasonable about the request at all

Hell Mayweather even agreed to a 10$ million dollar fine per pound if he comes in over the agreed weight. Thats how worried the Pacman team is about Mayweather

All that said, I hope these 2 guys can get everything worked out, because this will be the first fight I pay to see since Tyson v. Holyfield

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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: KillerPicklez]
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Yeah but if you suspect your opponent of cheating and you are about to fight the biggest fight of your career, why wouldnt you want more strict and random testing?



What's already in place is good enough, a blood test right after the fight.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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How come Pac... is OK with having his blood drawn after the fight but not before?  Do the needles get less scary after he's had his head punched a few times?


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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: zappaisgod]
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He doesn't care about having his blood drawn, he just doesn't want to fight this fight and neither does Mayweather.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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I can't imagine why not.  The fucking money will be epic.


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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Mayweather doesn't want a loss as Pacquiao doesn't want the beating.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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They're fucking boxers.  They get losses and beatings as a course of business.  The money would be huge.  Bigger than huge.


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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Claim going around is that he believes it will affect his performance to have blood drawn that close to the fight -



Anyways they've agreed to random piss tests - and I'm under the impression that high end urinalysis is just as accurate as blood results - Anyone in the know want to comment?

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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: Noetical]
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i think it's a valid concern for an athlete needed every little iota of cardio and speed


i mean, this whole boxing match is going to boil down to speed.  And losing any measurable volume of blood too soon to the fight could make the difference.


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Re: Manny Pacquiao juicing? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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As long as they both do the same test what does it matter?


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