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Naphtha never seperates from naoh(dmt)
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so im really pissed at this point.......i ordered 125grams of mimosa bark powder, used 20grams of it with 20grams sodium hydroxide to 600ml distilled water....it worked perfectly.......but i get small results.....so b-cuz the the 20gram tester jar went okay i went on and did a 50gram bark and 50gram naoh jar to 600ml distilled water and the naphtha(ronsonol lighter fuel) never seperates all the way from the brown-black water in the bottom...the same happened when i tried the last of my powder on a 3rd attempt....ill post pics 2night......i even put 50 more grams sodium hydroxide in one of the 50gram jars thinking i didnt basify it enough but its still the same....i need help

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Re: Naphtha never seperates from naoh(dmt) [Re: killuminati420]
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Im not sure about ronsonol, but some lighter fluids have unwanted additives. Did you test a little to make sure it evaps cleanly, as in no residue? I find VM&P Naptha to be the best, Colemans lamp fluid i hear is also good.

Additives shouldn't stop or slow the separation, but they will be in your final product.

Entropymancer should chime in on this, as hge is far more knowledgeable than I, but if you slowly and evenly heat the container containing the basified mixture, the naphtha will begin to separate easier.

Use a double boiler setup, A large pot with a rag or towel in the bottom, and the NaOH/naphtha container sitting on the rag/towel. Add water till the pot is slightly over half full.

Make sure your NaOH/naptha container is glass for this step!!

The plastic could easily get to soft/melt/degrade in heat. (i generally dont like plastics even HDPE, unless im storing pure substances like NaOH or other bases/acids since they can etch glass, even pyrex, but for extractions/reactions, glass i find is key)

Raise the heat slowly, but do not bring to a boil, around 130-160F.

I also hear a little table salt will speed the process up.



Also do a search in ODD, there are hundreds of DMT extraction threads there.


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Edited by ThirdEyeOpening (10/21/09 04:57 PM)

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Re: Naphtha never seperates from naoh(dmt) [Re: ThirdEyeOpening]
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ThirdEyeOpening said:
Im not sure about ronsonol, but some lighter fluids have unwanted additives.



some like the zippo brand arent even naptha anymore


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Re: Naphtha never seperates from naoh(dmt) [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
ThirdEyeOpening said:
Im not sure about ronsonol, but some lighter fluids have unwanted additives.



some like the zippo brand arent even naptha anymore



That would definatly pose a very large problem. :thumbdown:


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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. Im not too sure about the former.      -Einstein

Of course the rules need to be enforced, but the goal of law and order should be to create a just society, not to enforce laws. -Unknown

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”  -Stephen Roberts

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Re: Naphtha never seperates from naoh(dmt) [Re: killuminati420]
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Do you mean you've got an emulsion?

A bubbly layer between the 2 layers?

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Re: Naphtha never seperates from naoh(dmt) [Re: killuminati420]
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You can buy Naptha from any paint supply store or DIY hardware store.  Look in the chemical solvents/paint supply area.  That's where I get it, denatured alcohol, acetone.. etc.

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Re: Naphtha never seperates from naoh(dmt) [Re: idiotek]
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im not talkin bout the emulsion.....all of naphtha stays brown/blackish and when i put in freezer brown shit sink to the bottom.....i was thinking of pouring it off of the brown shit over and over again and sodium carbonate cleaning it until its clear...

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Re: Naphtha never seperates from naoh(dmt) [Re: killuminati420]
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Dunno, sounds like you messed up big though.  Naptha is clear and it stays clear throughout the whole extraction.

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Re: Naphtha never seperates from naoh(dmt) [Re: killuminati420]
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Why keep posting about this in the Pub? There are other forums where you'll get much better answers.

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Re: Naphtha never seperates from naoh(dmt) [Re: killuminati420]
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You're doing it wrong


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Re: Naphtha never seperates from naoh(dmt) [Re: killuminati420]
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killuminati420 said:
im not talkin bout the emulsion.....all of naphtha stays brown/blackish and when i put in freezer brown shit sink to the bottom.....i was thinking of pouring it off of the brown shit over and over again and sodium carbonate cleaning it until its clear...


sounds like youre trying to freeze the naoh+water+mhrb mixture. the naphtha should sit on top and be clear thats all you want, nothing brown should go in the freezer. now, why its not rising, im not sure but... dont freeze anything brown.

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Re: Naphtha never seperates from naoh(dmt) [Re: Platinum]
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im about to throw those jars away.....right now im freezing my 20gram test jar over and over again to get something....i got a little bit and gave to my friend to try it and his bitch ass inhaled it but blew it out right away so he tripped a little but not much at all....he was pissed at himself b-cuz he felt a big tease....im smokin next pull....

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Re: Naphtha never seperates from naoh(dmt) [Re: killuminati420]
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I have a feeling the rosonol fluid your using is NOT pure naphtha, or even real naphtha.

The naphtha should make a very distinct layer at the top, the naphtha WILL NOT dissolve into the NaOH+MHRB mixture, and will NOT have black reside in it.

Think of oil and water.

If the top layer is a weird brownish color, or has black brown bubbles in it something is very wrong.


If you had pictures, it could help, but i think you need to just scratch the batch and try again with real naphtha, not lighter fluid.


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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. Im not too sure about the former.      -Einstein

Of course the rules need to be enforced, but the goal of law and order should be to create a just society, not to enforce laws. -Unknown

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”  -Stephen Roberts

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Re: Naphtha never seperates from naoh(dmt) [Re: ThirdEyeOpening]
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the naphtha seperates all the way....but when it seperates it has brown bark residue all in it...it keeps happening, i even am using VM & P Naphtha and it still does it....im not about to waste anymore bark because this stupid random shit...what is it and how could i stop it....the naphtha came up perfect on a 20gram bark 20gram naoh jar i made and only that one.....ive tried with 50grams-50grams and that naphtha came up brown....and the worst one....i made a 100gram-100gram jar yesterday and when i added the naphtha it came up brown again...why does this happen?

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